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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1402894" data-attributes="member: 1656">It's not.&nbsp; But the melee attack roll to start a grapple is not made with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon.&nbsp; It's a grapple.&nbsp; Weapon Focus: Grapple will add +1 to your roll.&nbsp; Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike will not.Since you're not using an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon, it's an illegal attack in a Flurry.That's right.&nbsp; It's the same... apart from limiting the weapons used.&nbsp; That limitation is why you can't Grapple, since you're not using an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon.But &quot;Unarmed Strike&quot; is not.The unarmed melee touch attack to start a Trip is, arguably, not using an Unarmed Strike.&nbsp; (As opposed to Grapple, which, due to the existence of separate WF/WS feats for Grapple and Unarmed Strike, are certainly distinct.)The melee touch attack to start a Trip with a kama is using a kama... which is why I'm inclined to allow Tripping with a kama in a Flurry.It's not.&nbsp; You can attack with an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon just as you normally would.&nbsp; You can't attack with a longsword or grapple, since those are neither an Unarmed Strike nor a special monk weapon.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1402894, member: 1656"] It's not. But the melee attack roll to start a grapple is not made with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon. It's a grapple. Weapon Focus: Grapple will add +1 to your roll. Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike will not. Since you're not using an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon, it's an illegal attack in a Flurry. That's right. It's the same... apart from limiting the weapons used. That limitation is why you can't Grapple, since you're not using an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon. But "Unarmed Strike" is not. The unarmed melee touch attack to start a Trip is, arguably, not using an Unarmed Strike. (As opposed to Grapple, which, due to the existence of separate WF/WS feats for Grapple and Unarmed Strike, are certainly distinct.) The melee touch attack to start a Trip with a kama [i]is[/i] using a kama... which is why I'm inclined to allow Tripping with a kama in a Flurry. It's not. You can attack with an Unarmed Strike or a special monk weapon just as you normally would. You [i]can't[/i] attack with a longsword or grapple, since those are neither an Unarmed Strike nor a special monk weapon. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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