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<blockquote data-quote="MarauderX" data-source="post: 1404729" data-attributes="member: 9990">I don't see how.&nbsp; Zans's complete arguement in the other thread directly opposes what was said in this one, as I stated above, though if you read the out-of-context quote I understand that you might interpret it as the same - if you s t r e t c h e d. I read the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79198" target="_blank">entire grappling thread</a>.&nbsp; I also read the <a href="http://3.5srd.com/web/sovelior_sage_srd/Sovelior%20SRD/home.html" target="_blank">SRD</a>.&nbsp; I solicited Hypersmurf's opinion in the other thread as HS was so vehement in <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76516" target="_blank">this thread mentioned earlier</a>.&nbsp; It is directly related, and given Zans has fought both sides of the arguement I can see how Zans would be 'right' in at least one of them.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; If not, Zans, please give me clarification on your interpretation of the rules, for or against using FoBs for grappling.&nbsp; That recent thread dealt with all special attacks &amp; FoB, and already covers all of the items that Zans re-iterates here.&nbsp; It is worth reading the whole thing, as definitions and related feats are listed and argued about how FoBs is applied to special attacks (FoBs is a type of special attack).Relative to the discussion, Zans argued the following in the 'Grapple' thread: Would everyone agree that all special attacks are considered the same?&nbsp; Or do the rules indicate that each special attack is different, as quoted above?&nbsp; The way the rules read to me is that they are all types of special attacks, and if you can't do one with FoBs you can't do any of them.&nbsp; If you disagree, how would you rule each of the special attacks and, according to the rules, why?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MarauderX, post: 1404729, member: 9990"] I don't see how. Zans's complete arguement in the other thread directly opposes what was said in this one, as I stated above, though if you read the out-of-context quote I understand that you might interpret it as the same - if you s t r e t c h e d. I read the [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79198]entire grappling thread[/URL]. I also read the [URL=http://3.5srd.com/web/sovelior_sage_srd/Sovelior%20SRD/home.html]SRD[/URL]. I solicited Hypersmurf's opinion in the other thread as HS was so vehement in [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76516]this thread mentioned earlier[/URL]. It is directly related, and given Zans has fought both sides of the arguement I can see how Zans would be 'right' in at least one of them.:) If not, Zans, please give me clarification on your interpretation of the rules, for or against using FoBs for grappling. That recent thread dealt with all special attacks & FoB, and already covers all of the items that Zans re-iterates here. It is worth reading the whole thing, as definitions and related feats are listed and argued about how FoBs is applied to special attacks (FoBs is a type of special attack). Relative to the discussion, Zans argued the following in the 'Grapple' thread: Would everyone agree that all special attacks are considered the same? Or do the rules indicate that each special attack is different, as quoted above? The way the rules read to me is that they are all types of special attacks, and if you can't do one with FoBs you can't do any of them. If you disagree, how would you rule each of the special attacks and, according to the rules, why? [/QUOTE]

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