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<blockquote data-quote="Tetsubo" data-source="post: 1122445" data-attributes="member: 1250"><p>Last night in my campaign a PC found himself chasing a wererat</p><p>through a sewer while the PC was under the effects of a Fly spell. The</p><p>wererat took a turn into a very small opening, too small for the PC to</p><p>follow him. The PC attempted to grapple the wererat and stop his forward</p><p>motion. This had me asking, "How strong is the PC while Flying?" The SRD</p><p>states:</p><p></p><p> "The subject of a fly spell can charge but not run, and it cannot</p><p>carry aloft more weight than its maximum load, plus any armor it wears."</p><p></p><p> The last part is the important section. It says that the subject</p><p>can't carry more than it's maximum load plus armour. This implies that</p><p>the Strength of the subject effects the spell. A weak subject can't</p><p>carry much while Flying, while a strong subject can. I can see how this</p><p>works when someone is walking on the ground. Their muscle mass effects</p><p>the amount they can carry. But why does the subjects Strength effect the</p><p>spell? Shouldn't the magic of the spell dictate how much the subject can</p><p>carry? As long as the subject can hold onto an object it should be able</p><p>to lift it while under the effects of a Fly spell.</p><p></p><p> Under Telekinesis in the SRD it states:</p><p></p><p> "Sustained Force: A sustained force moves an object weighing no more</p><p>than 25 pounds per caster level (maximum 375 pounds at 15th level)"</p><p></p><p> So why does the Fly spell function differently? Isn't it effectively</p><p>a limited form of person Telekinesis? Shouldn't the casters level effect</p><p>how much weight the subject of a Fly spell can lift and carry? This</p><p>would make the spell less effective at lower caster levels but more</p><p>effective at higher levels. It would also even out the spells</p><p>usefulness. A Halfling and a Half-orc would be able to carry the same</p><p>amount of weight.</p><p></p><p> I just can't understand why the spell is written to allow the</p><p>physical Strength of the subject to effect the magical effect of the</p><p>dwoemer.</p><p></p><p> Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or can they explain the 3.5</p><p>version spells author's reasoning? TIA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tetsubo, post: 1122445, member: 1250"] Last night in my campaign a PC found himself chasing a wererat through a sewer while the PC was under the effects of a Fly spell. The wererat took a turn into a very small opening, too small for the PC to follow him. The PC attempted to grapple the wererat and stop his forward motion. This had me asking, "How strong is the PC while Flying?" The SRD states: "The subject of a fly spell can charge but not run, and it cannot carry aloft more weight than its maximum load, plus any armor it wears." The last part is the important section. It says that the subject can't carry more than it's maximum load plus armour. This implies that the Strength of the subject effects the spell. A weak subject can't carry much while Flying, while a strong subject can. I can see how this works when someone is walking on the ground. Their muscle mass effects the amount they can carry. But why does the subjects Strength effect the spell? Shouldn't the magic of the spell dictate how much the subject can carry? As long as the subject can hold onto an object it should be able to lift it while under the effects of a Fly spell. Under Telekinesis in the SRD it states: "Sustained Force: A sustained force moves an object weighing no more than 25 pounds per caster level (maximum 375 pounds at 15th level)" So why does the Fly spell function differently? Isn't it effectively a limited form of person Telekinesis? Shouldn't the casters level effect how much weight the subject of a Fly spell can lift and carry? This would make the spell less effective at lower caster levels but more effective at higher levels. It would also even out the spells usefulness. A Halfling and a Half-orc would be able to carry the same amount of weight. I just can't understand why the spell is written to allow the physical Strength of the subject to effect the magical effect of the dwoemer. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Or can they explain the 3.5 version spells author's reasoning? TIA. [/QUOTE]
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