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<blockquote data-quote="SmuggleNutz" data-source="post: 6220311" data-attributes="member: 6676793"><p>OP here... I think we have hashed out a few things locally with help from what has been posted here. </p><p></p><p>First, some observations:</p><p> </p><p>The Fly Skill is the <u>only skill</u> in Pathfinder (and maybe in all of 3.x) that can be used <strong>Untrained</strong>, <u>AND</u> that has a requirement that must be met <strong>before</strong> ranks can be added to it. Look it up. <u>No other skill that <strong>can be used</strong> <strong>Untrained</strong> has an entry requirement</u>.</p><p> </p><p>The requirement to take ranks in the Fly Skill is to have either the natural ability to fly, <strong><u>OR</u></strong> a <strong>"reliable means of flying every day,"</strong> and the examples given of "reliable" are <strong>by</strong> <strong>spell</strong> and <strong>by</strong> <strong>Wildshape</strong>. </p><p> </p><p>The line in the Fly Skill that states: "Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a class skill" appears in the section of the Skill under the heading <strong>Special</strong>. This section has a definition within the rules for Skills, which is:</p><p> </p><p><strong>Special:</strong> Any extra facts that apply to the skill, such as special effects deriving from its use or bonuses that certain characters receive because of class, feat choices, or race.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Our conclusion: </p><p> </p><p>If we consider that the line "Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a class skill" is a "special effect deriving from its use," it seems obvious that a creature that has a fly speed gains the +3 bonus as if Fly were a class skill, while they are flying. The creature has (presumably) already met the requirement for having a <strong>"reliable means of flying every day," </strong>otherwise we wouldn't even be at this point in the description of the Skill.</p><p> </p><p>The way we have interpreted it is as follows: </p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>A creature with a reliable way to fly every day treats the Fly Skill as a class skill while using that same reliable way to fly.</em></p><p> </p><p>It allows a creature without Fly as a class skill to still benefit from the experience they gain using a reliable means of flying, whether by natural or magic means. Seems simple enough, and not bogged down in too much wordplay or rules lawyering.</p><p> </p><p>Feedback welcome, and thanks to all who have shared their thoughts on this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SmuggleNutz, post: 6220311, member: 6676793"] OP here... I think we have hashed out a few things locally with help from what has been posted here. First, some observations: The Fly Skill is the [U]only skill[/U] in Pathfinder (and maybe in all of 3.x) that can be used [B]Untrained[/B], [U]AND[/U] that has a requirement that must be met [B]before[/B] ranks can be added to it. Look it up. [U]No other skill that [B]can be used[/B] [B]Untrained[/B] has an entry requirement[/U]. The requirement to take ranks in the Fly Skill is to have either the natural ability to fly, [B][U]OR[/U][/B] a [B]"reliable means of flying every day,"[/B] and the examples given of "reliable" are [B]by[/B] [B]spell[/B] and [B]by[/B] [B]Wildshape[/B]. The line in the Fly Skill that states: "Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a class skill" appears in the section of the Skill under the heading [B]Special[/B]. This section has a definition within the rules for Skills, which is: [B]Special:[/B] Any extra facts that apply to the skill, such as special effects deriving from its use or bonuses that certain characters receive because of class, feat choices, or race. Our conclusion: If we consider that the line "Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a class skill" is a "special effect deriving from its use," it seems obvious that a creature that has a fly speed gains the +3 bonus as if Fly were a class skill, while they are flying. The creature has (presumably) already met the requirement for having a [B]"reliable means of flying every day," [/B]otherwise we wouldn't even be at this point in the description of the Skill. The way we have interpreted it is as follows: [I] A creature with a reliable way to fly every day treats the Fly Skill as a class skill while using that same reliable way to fly.[/I] It allows a creature without Fly as a class skill to still benefit from the experience they gain using a reliable means of flying, whether by natural or magic means. Seems simple enough, and not bogged down in too much wordplay or rules lawyering. Feedback welcome, and thanks to all who have shared their thoughts on this. [/QUOTE]
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