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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Black Knight Irios" data-source="post: 5981877" data-attributes="member: 8853">Makes sense. But I would assume that no normal human being regardless of class should be able to be crushed by a dragon and stand up and be able to fight him. Maybe ordinary humans should have a maximum of 1-3 HD - so that everything remains "realistic" otherwise those HD above 1-3 seem rather unnatural or one could argue supernatural.Those abstract HD/Hitpoints are kinda abstract. Maybe the human was not really crushed but had some luck i.e. he has HP left after the crush.The point I want to make is we accept a whole lot of supernatural things in our worlds we play in but the breaking of real world physics by non magical (all other non-natural) means seems to be a taboo the size of a colossal+ dragon.The wuxia genre provides heroes that surpass the limits of ordinary humans. Sometimes by possessing supernatural powers sometimes it's just ninja (saumurai/etc.) training.I don't understand why the figher and similar classes have to be more like a medieval european knight/soldier (b/c that is western culture?) instead of being more like a wuxia samurai (b/c that is not our/western but eastern culture?). Or just b/c that the "traditional" D&D way?2E "Skills and Powers" gave fighters the option to gain SR. 3E "Epic Levels Handbook" had skill uses that defied realword physics. WotC already overstepped that boundry. You can argue that all of that was optional and that is true. But they handed out "supernatural" options twice why not a third time in an optional module. Or even overstepping real world physics in the core for a bit and a wuxia module on top.At the end of the day what matters for me is that the fighter can contribute in a meaningful way to a party that has one or more vancian casters and that includes a niche where he can't be outshone by them regardless how retarded powerful magic seems to be. And that should be true for every other class that adventures alongside vancian casters.If the fighter can pull some wuxia stunts even better - cake with chocolate topping incoming.</blockquote>

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