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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 5433005" data-attributes="member: 1356">First off- this is a character for my wife (Lady Sabelle here)- she can't post at the moment so she asked me to post this for her.OK, so this is for what the DM says will be a "very high powered" game.  Our group is small, so she plans to fill two caster roles for the party- mainly cleric but she also likes bard.  Dual casting classes usually mean you give up a lot in each but, with the following build, my wife and I were able to design a Fochlucan Lyrist that gives up only a single cleric level and still gets 11-14 levels of bard!  We're asking for opinions and suggestions for this build.  Please note that this character is starting out at 1st level and has to be playable all the way through.  It uses the PrCs Green Whisperer, Divine Oracle and Fochlucan Lyrist and requires a little tweaking /interpretation of the rules. (*See Main Issues Below)   The requirements for these PrCs are very skill heavy (62 skill points total) but we use a house rule of “once a class skill, always a class skill (otherwise it’s 80+ skill points). Items underlined are PrC requirements.The character is a Petal (Tiny Fey, ecl 2, MM3) with epic worthy stats: 8 Str, 26 Dex, 17 Con, 18 Int, 18 Wis, 26 Cha. *2 free racial HD ( house rule) gives 1 extra Feat.  She took the FR regional feat: Artist.  From there she's got the Regional Background: Bardic Tutelage (Forgotten Realms: Champions of Valor) which allows you to get ANY one bonus language. She picked Druidic, which the build needs for Lyrist. *DM approval required. (Again see Main Issues below)  <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Cloistered Cleric 1........Domains: Time, Planning, Knowledge.  Feats: Persistent Spell, Divine Meta-Magic, Skill Focus: Knowledge (religion)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Bard 1.......................Bardic Music</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Cloistered Cleric 2........Feat:Melodic Casting</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Cloistered Cleric 3........+1 Con</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Cloistered Cleric 4</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Green Whisperer 1........Feat:Song of the Heart (*See Main Issues Below)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Green Whisperer 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Green Whisperer 3........+1 Wis</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Divine Oracle 1.............Feat: Extra Turning or Subsonics.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Divine Oracle 2.............Prescient sense (as Evasion? *See Main Issues Below )</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist 1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  2........Knowledge Devotion, +1 Wis</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  4</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  5........Feat ??</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  6........+1 Wis</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  8........Feat ??</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  9</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Fochlucan Lyrist  10.......+1 Wis</li> </ol>BAB: 16Cleric CL: 19Bard CL: 14 (or 11)Domains: Time, Planning, Knowledge, OracleFly Speed: 60’The build starts out with 11 turn attempts so it can persist 1 spell right off the bat. If the DM nerfs this for 1st level, she'll just switch Divine Meta-Magic with the Extra Turning feat or Knowledge Devotion. 2nd level as Bard starts out with 4 Bardic Music uses because of the Artist feat.  For later levels, possible feats are Travel Devotion and/or Mobile Spell Casting but we would welcome any other suggestions. Main Issues: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PrC: Green Whisperer (Dragon Magazine #311, page 70, requirements: any neutral alignment, Knowledge (nature) 8 ranks, Perform 8 ranks, and Survival 5 ranks).  Quick -version- it's a 5- level dual-caster PRC designed for bard/druid.  It boosts Bardic Music and gives bonuses to affect animals. Level 5 would let you affect plants but we're not going that far. Taking this depends on modifying the PrC to change the spellcaster advancement from "+1 level of Bard and Druid class" to +1 Arcane, +1 Divine.  This would open the PrC to any Arcane/Divine caster willing to put ranks in the prerequisite skills but it wouldn't give you much if you weren't a nature-focused bard.  It's still focused on nature magic but this  gives her 3 extra levels in bard while advancing divine casting as well.  However, NOT taking this isn't a deal breaker.  If the DM doesn't approve the change we can replace the Whisperer with 3 more levels of Cloistered Cleric and take the Alternative Source Spell feat before 11th level to qualify for the Lyrist's "1st-level arcane" spell requirement. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PrC: Divine Oracle (requirements: Knowledge (religion), Skill focus: Knowledge (religion), ability to cast any 2 divination spells) This PrC gives Prescient sense at level 2 which is alternately Evasion.  Again, we'd need DM approval to allow this to count for that Lyrist requirement.</li> </ul>With those slight mods we can get Fochlucan Lyrist advancing cleric and bard with almost full cleric casting!  Getting Druidic from the Bardic Tutelage background is kinda cheesy BUT it's supported by the RAW.  Prescient Sense may not be "evasion" exactly, but it is evasion+ so I've never heard of anyone not allowing it to sub for evasion.  Finally, Green Whisperer is completely optional, but it would be nice. And switching it to arcane/divine advancement rather than the class-specific bard/druid is possibly more 3.5E appropriate. That's the build, so what do you think?  This is a somewhat cheesier build than we (especially my wife) usually do, but from talking to the DM it sounds like we'll need all the extra we can get to survive. As stated before, any advice, suggestion, or improvements would be very welcome- as would pointing out any mistakes or glaring problems we've overlooked.  Thanks.</blockquote>

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