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<blockquote data-quote="Xath" data-source="post: 2982291" data-attributes="member: 17040">Really?&nbsp; When looking up Lore in the glossary of the PHB, it specifically references Bardic Knowledge (if I remember correctly, I don't have the books).&nbsp; The Cloistered Cleric's lore also (I believe) defines its lore with bardic knowledge.&nbsp; Not only the bonus language, but the loremaster Secret in which you can instantly gain 4 ranks in any skill previously untrained, and Speak Language is a skill.Well, by the time you hit 20th level, you'd have 3 attacks, something the normal sorc/wizard progression would never allow.&nbsp; And BAB is useful for spells with ranged or melee touch attacks. That's why I said you could break it more by taking a level of Prestige Bard from UA instead of a 2nd level of Loremaster.&nbsp; It's not what I'm doing, but it is possible to garner the full benefit with wizard and cleric spells.&nbsp; The trade for taking the level of Prestige Bard is that you never get 9th level Arcane spells, because you lose the spell level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xath, post: 2982291, member: 17040"] Really? When looking up Lore in the glossary of the PHB, it specifically references Bardic Knowledge (if I remember correctly, I don't have the books). The Cloistered Cleric's lore also (I believe) defines its lore with bardic knowledge. Not only the bonus language, but the loremaster Secret in which you can instantly gain 4 ranks in any skill previously untrained, and Speak Language is a skill. Well, by the time you hit 20th level, you'd have 3 attacks, something the normal sorc/wizard progression would never allow. And BAB is useful for spells with ranged or melee touch attacks. That's why I said you could break it more by taking a level of Prestige Bard from UA instead of a 2nd level of Loremaster. It's not what I'm doing, but it is possible to garner the full benefit with wizard and cleric spells. The trade for taking the level of Prestige Bard is that you never get 9th level Arcane spells, because you lose the spell level. [/QUOTE]

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