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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6604557" data-attributes="member: 58197">First of all: In this scenario, you're not going to get much in the way of definitive answers from the rules. Expect to do some house ruling.As far as the fog cloud blocking vision beyond it, it would never have occurred to me to even ask the question. Of course it does. The idea that you can't see what's inside the cloud, but you have some kind of X-ray vision that lets you project your vision past the cloud, is absurd. Whether this is specifically stated in the rules is irrelevant. I don't normally regard &quot;common sense&quot; as a convincing argument in D&amp;D (it usually means &quot;my own irrational prejudices based on how my first DM in middle school did things&quot;), but in this case... yeah, this is just common sense.Now, the question of what happens when you unwittingly try to enter an enemy square is more interesting. I would be inclined to say that the barbarian must make a DC 10 Dex save or fall prone. If the barbarian makes the save, he now has a choice: He can either fall back to his previous square (thus wasting the 5 feet of movement he used trying to enter the enemy square), or he can attempt to shove the enemy and keep going (costing him an attack, per the &quot;shoving a creature&quot; rules). Either way, he now knows that square is occupied.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6604557, member: 58197"] First of all: In this scenario, you're not going to get much in the way of definitive answers from the rules. Expect to do some house ruling. As far as the [i]fog cloud[/i] blocking vision beyond it, it would never have occurred to me to even ask the question. Of course it does. The idea that you can't see what's inside the cloud, but you have some kind of X-ray vision that lets you project your vision [I]past[/I] the cloud, is absurd. Whether this is specifically stated in the rules is irrelevant. I don't normally regard "common sense" as a convincing argument in D&D (it usually means "my own irrational prejudices based on how my first DM in middle school did things"), but in this case... yeah, this is just common sense. Now, the question of what happens when you unwittingly try to enter an enemy square is more interesting. I would be inclined to say that the barbarian must make a DC 10 Dex save or fall prone. If the barbarian makes the save, he now has a choice: He can either fall back to his previous square (thus wasting the 5 feet of movement he used trying to enter the enemy square), or he can attempt to shove the enemy and keep going (costing him an attack, per the "shoving a creature" rules). Either way, he now knows that square is occupied. [/QUOTE]

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