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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3080161" data-attributes="member: 2011">The real problem is that WotC did not follow its own rules with this spell, hence, one of the reasons it is broken.Negating / removing all of the sound in the area sounds pretty real to me.You'll note that the Darkness spell (even the 3E version) is Evocation, not Illusion.Even Invisibility can be detected with a DC 20 Spot check.Silence should a) only affect when a Will save is failed and b) since it is illusionary, it should deafen targets while they are in the area, it should not actually remove the sound and should not affect Sonics. The reason Silence should have a Will save and Invisibility should not is due to the fact that Silence is generally used as an offensive spell.There should be a &quot;Personal Silence&quot; or &quot;Muffled&quot; spell with no saving throw which allows a creature to sneak around. A DC 20 Listen would allow someone to hear a creature affected by this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3080161, member: 2011"] The real problem is that WotC did not follow its own rules with this spell, hence, one of the reasons it is broken. Negating / removing all of the sound in the area sounds pretty real to me. You'll note that the Darkness spell (even the 3E version) is Evocation, not Illusion. Even Invisibility can be detected with a DC 20 Spot check. Silence should a) only affect when a Will save is failed and b) since it is illusionary, it should deafen targets while they are in the area, it should not actually remove the sound and should not affect Sonics. The reason Silence should have a Will save and Invisibility should not is due to the fact that Silence is generally used as an offensive spell. There should be a "Personal Silence" or "Muffled" spell with no saving throw which allows a creature to sneak around. A DC 20 Listen would allow someone to hear a creature affected by this. [/QUOTE]

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