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<blockquote data-quote="kerbarian" data-source="post: 3080923" data-attributes="member: 40393"><p>I was thinking about this a little more, and it reminded me of a thread on a solar that had been hit with dominate monster (after his protective aura was taken down). I can't find it now... maybe it was lost with the crash? Anyway, the main debate in that thread was whether the solar would get a save vs. magic circle against evil if it was targeted on someone nearby rather than on the solar himself.</p><p></p><p>More generally, the question would apply to emanations that can be centered on a creature. If the spell allows a save, does only the target get a save, or does everyone within the emanation get a save? Looking at it now, silence is an area spell, not a targeted spell. It happens to be centered on a creature (or at least it can be), but the creature that it's centered on isn't actually a target of the spell. As an area spell, everyone in the area would get a save.</p><p></p><p>So what would it mean if you save against a silence spell? The area around you would still be silenced, but you wouldn't be. Does it mean any sounds you create can pass through the silenced area? Does it mean you can hear normally within the silenced area? At minimum, it would mean that you could still create sound, but that sound would be immediately stopped by the (still-silenced) air around you. Which sounds to me like enough to cast spells with verbal components.</p><p></p><p>Hmm... I'm starting to remember a little more about that solar thread. I remember making a similar argument about magic circle against evil being an area spell and it not going over so well. I don't remember what the arguments against it were, though.</p><p></p><p>But there's at least some argument in favor of your house rule actually being correct per the RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kerbarian, post: 3080923, member: 40393"] I was thinking about this a little more, and it reminded me of a thread on a solar that had been hit with dominate monster (after his protective aura was taken down). I can't find it now... maybe it was lost with the crash? Anyway, the main debate in that thread was whether the solar would get a save vs. magic circle against evil if it was targeted on someone nearby rather than on the solar himself. More generally, the question would apply to emanations that can be centered on a creature. If the spell allows a save, does only the target get a save, or does everyone within the emanation get a save? Looking at it now, silence is an area spell, not a targeted spell. It happens to be centered on a creature (or at least it can be), but the creature that it's centered on isn't actually a target of the spell. As an area spell, everyone in the area would get a save. So what would it mean if you save against a silence spell? The area around you would still be silenced, but you wouldn't be. Does it mean any sounds you create can pass through the silenced area? Does it mean you can hear normally within the silenced area? At minimum, it would mean that you could still create sound, but that sound would be immediately stopped by the (still-silenced) air around you. Which sounds to me like enough to cast spells with verbal components. Hmm... I'm starting to remember a little more about that solar thread. I remember making a similar argument about magic circle against evil being an area spell and it not going over so well. I don't remember what the arguments against it were, though. But there's at least some argument in favor of your house rule actually being correct per the RAW. [/QUOTE]
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