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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6567294">I tend to agree that 5th edition mitigates pretty much everything the dice gods could do to you, but I would bump the magic level up to 4th, ESPECIALLY if you're using the variant rolled HP rules.  Once you hit 4th you're usually sitting on 10-15 points of HP from CON alone, you've got probably 20-30 HP just in your class, and by the book, not accounting for custom-monsters, at-level challenges for a 4th level party should not pose much risk here.  It takes a pretty significant level of RNG failure to down a player by sheer bad luck.  It CAN happen, but I think its rarer in this edition than others.But I would argue the sweet spot of "protection from dice gods" doesn't really happen till about 4th.</blockquote>