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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3792356" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is your opinion, and I don't think it's as well-considered as you think it is.</p><p></p><p>TSR were not merely neglectful, they were downright failing. As Eric so correctly reminds us, they were about to go out of business. 2E's rules were so appalling that they could be considered neglected, but it was certainly a nice time for change. The real problem was that if they kept waiting, there wouldn't BE any D&D any more!</p><p></p><p>I know everyone on this board loves D&D, and assumes, because D&D takes up a huge amount of every FLGS in the known universe, that D&D is doing great financially, but that doesn't mean that situation, even if it's the case, will last forever. In the later days of WotC, my FLGS was stilled stuffed to the gunnels with AD&D products, the problem was, not enough people were buying them.</p><p></p><p>Presumably WotC, being a lot better at business, and more interested in making a profit that TSR, want to avoid this situation <em>before it happens</em>, not try to correct it afterwards. Thus better now, than in two-three years, when maybe WotC's RPG division profits are seriously going downhill, and where WotC might consider selling off the RPG division, or just outright canning it. I mean, I've heard all this "TSR waited ten years to publish 2E, and then it was ten years to 3E!", and whilst the symmetry is lovely and all, I don't think that's a good enough reason to wait longer.</p><p></p><p>Maybe this is why, for some, the timing doesn't feel right? Instead of being an attempt to save a game, this is merely an attempt to update and keep selling a game (something WW have been doing with success for years). Thus, it seems a little early for some.</p><p></p><p>I have to admit, I was here for really the whole of the 3E anticipation (as witnesses no doubt recall), and 3E didn't quite go as far as I wanted, or initially anticipated. Many of the ideas in 4E are ones people kicked around when 3E was anticipated, and it's nice to see them "finally making it". For me, if anything, I kinda wish it had come sooner <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3792356, member: 18"] This is your opinion, and I don't think it's as well-considered as you think it is. TSR were not merely neglectful, they were downright failing. As Eric so correctly reminds us, they were about to go out of business. 2E's rules were so appalling that they could be considered neglected, but it was certainly a nice time for change. The real problem was that if they kept waiting, there wouldn't BE any D&D any more! I know everyone on this board loves D&D, and assumes, because D&D takes up a huge amount of every FLGS in the known universe, that D&D is doing great financially, but that doesn't mean that situation, even if it's the case, will last forever. In the later days of WotC, my FLGS was stilled stuffed to the gunnels with AD&D products, the problem was, not enough people were buying them. Presumably WotC, being a lot better at business, and more interested in making a profit that TSR, want to avoid this situation [I]before it happens[/I], not try to correct it afterwards. Thus better now, than in two-three years, when maybe WotC's RPG division profits are seriously going downhill, and where WotC might consider selling off the RPG division, or just outright canning it. I mean, I've heard all this "TSR waited ten years to publish 2E, and then it was ten years to 3E!", and whilst the symmetry is lovely and all, I don't think that's a good enough reason to wait longer. Maybe this is why, for some, the timing doesn't feel right? Instead of being an attempt to save a game, this is merely an attempt to update and keep selling a game (something WW have been doing with success for years). Thus, it seems a little early for some. I have to admit, I was here for really the whole of the 3E anticipation (as witnesses no doubt recall), and 3E didn't quite go as far as I wanted, or initially anticipated. Many of the ideas in 4E are ones people kicked around when 3E was anticipated, and it's nice to see them "finally making it". For me, if anything, I kinda wish it had come sooner :) [/QUOTE]
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