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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2269727" data-attributes="member: 5777">Psions arent arcane casters. They each have different strengths and weaknesses. Just because psions are better at one thing than the arcane guys means nothing.Also, since people have tried to say that the psions being more powerful makes it overpowered. However, since the arcanes version tends to be too weak anyway it is completely irrelevant if the psions version is stronger.So why is the difference important? One would have to prove that the psions ability is overpowered on its own,. Like saying that the cleric is too good at healing because the arcane casters heals are so much weaker.If the psions are stronger than the wizards at direct damage, which is not always the case but often, then explaining about how unreliable arcane damage is seems more than reasonable. In order to make that type of character type work better the psionics went in a slightly different direction.So, if you feel it is overpowered then show why, but comparing it with arcane damage dealing just doesnt prove anything.As an example, arcane spell failure. It really isnt a balance point, merely a sacred cow. However, people have said that because psions dont have to worry about it then psions are overpowered. But the sacred cow just rears its ugly head.There are others as well, hence my saying that comparing it directly with something that has a lot of sacred cows is bad in a lot of ways.The unrelated issues are those that compare things such as the arcane spell failure. Besides, my closeing comments on how people will accept bad things from one source and not even look at others because they assume they will be bad just doesnt make any sense. That is what that comment was about.That is the problem, it is so subjective that it can be said about anything and the opposite could be said at the same time and it would mean exactly the same.Being able to have more high level powers per day by giving up all lower level ones is not necissarily bad. The warlock has an unlimited high level spells per day, few people consider him overpowered.now prove this is bad. Saying that they are better than people who are poor at it is simply a diversionary tactic from the real issues.As compared with arcane, divine, or some other piece of meat on the side of the road? At this point I am not even sure what you are really wanting because of how insistant you are on things that dont really matter to the overall balance problem (if psionic blasting is better than arcane blasting) and ignoring things that are.Still though, I pointed some out in an earlier post. How about the inability of psionic dispel to counterspell or get rid of curses? Detect psionics being a first level power and not a 0th level. No useful invisibility. No illusions (this one is huge, a caster with a few of those type of powers have so many options it is unbelieveable). Only able to self buff effectively. Very poor healing. Metapsionics are incredibly difficult to use, especially if you want for some reason to put on more than one. Psionic focus is a huge problem that requires a great deal of resources on to be useful.Remember, if a psion wants to have a few buffs up to actually survive a battle that really cuts into the amount of pp's available.. which is really where the number of spells available comes into play. Toss out a bunch of low level ones and suffer no hit to higher level ones at all.</blockquote>

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