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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2270967" data-attributes="member: 2011">Energy Ball, Energy Missile, Energy Cone, and Energy Current are the 4 Energy offensive powers that are Kineticist discipline specific. Of these, only Energy Ball and Energy Current do damage when using Overchannel/Talented.But, there are other options.You can use any of the other 8 Energy offensive powers without using a feat: Energy Bolt, Energy Burst, Energy Push, Energy Ray, Energy Retort, Energy Stun, Energy Wall, or Energy Wave.So, you can use any of these with Empower Power and do more average damage (for fire and cold energy) starting at level 10 (i.e. Empowered 8D6+8 > Empowered 10D6). The exception to this is Energy Wave which cannot be used until level 13.With Overchannel and Talented for those Energy powers less than level 4, you could increase this damage even more starting at level 6 (i.e. Overchanneled Empowered 5D6+5 > Empowered 6D6) and take no damage.With Overchannel and Vigor for any of these Energy powers, regardless of their level, you could increase this damage even more starting at level 6 (i.e. Overchanneled Empowered 5D6+5 > Empowered 6D6) and take no damage (or at higher level for those powers above level 3).So with two feats (Overchannel and Empower) and two powers (Vigor and Energy X), you can be more effective than most arcane spell casters in this area. You do not have to be a Kineticist or use up an Expanded Knowledge feat to get there.But, it will cost you some PP and time (you have to pump up with Vigor before you can Overchannel or you will take real damage).</blockquote>

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