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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2310432" data-attributes="member: 5777">So I guess you didnt actually read what I had to say? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> Unfortunate.Still though, here goes another try. One is a specialist ability that works only in a single set of situations vs another that is general and works in a broad range of situations.If you compare them and say that the ac is better in combat what have you proven as far as balance goes? Zero.So, why bother even trying? why not just answer the question I posed rather than introducing one that will leave the important question still hanging while not actually giving any useful data?By all means, compare the two to your hearts content, but in the end after you have shown whatever it is you are trying to then you still cannot say whether ac is balanced or not.Divine specialist summoner. I have asked before what you have done to make this guy a specialist and shown how he is already behind the curve before even starting to try.The divine guy does not have much to choose from to specialize. There is the +4/+4 feat but it has a prereq which does not help summoning, there are no other feats that I know of off hand to help him. He might have a couple of domains to help his summonings, but what these are and what they might do I dont know.So, as far as I can tell, your 'specialized divine summoner' has one feat to help him and at the same time cuts his own summoning list down by half or more. woo. Sounds like he seriously needs more options to be considered a real specialist.If the man with two legs can walk faster than the man with one leg you dont cut off one of the first guys legs to make them even.Of course, it is a horrible comparison in a number of different ways that I have already said.If you want to, go right ahead, but it wont prove anything useful.I guess you should ask them, 'at doing what?' because there are areas where the ac's are better and areas where the summoning is better.If you pick only a narrow band then sure, one of them will likely be better. But then if you pick a different band then it switches. At that point who is better?They both make extra critters on the field which can do things, in that they are the same. However, their purposes and roles are different.Just like if you have 2 characters on the field, say a rogue and a fighter, sometimes they will do the same thing, but they have talents in completely different areas and their uses are very different. Directly comparing them in a single situation will show that one is better than the other, but does that mean that overall one is better than the other? They have different jobs, they have different skills, they go about things in different ways.Like I have said though, go ahead and compare, but when you are done what will you have proven?Even if you show that constructs are better in every way, every circumstance, 100% of the time completely superior it still wont mean that constructs are overpowered, it could simply mean that summons are underpowered, or that they are still roughly equal but the constructs are ahead but not necissarily by enough to need to be changed, or it could even mean that constructs are horrendously overpowered. But you cannot get a true answer out of it, only a glance at a guage vs an unknown.</blockquote>

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