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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2314701" data-attributes="member: 3146">It's more like 3-4 feats, two of which are unnecessary at high levels, and two of which severely impede casting if used regularly. (Apply both to all your spells and it's like losing four levels). The advantage of the psion in this case is not just that he has options that take a sorcerer or wizard a feat, but that he has those options without the increased cost that sorcerers and wizards must pay to use them.It's probably unfair to group all exclusive list powers into the psion comparison too, but I think it's quite reasonable to think that many psions will take advantage of the Expanded Knowledge option to learn at least one or two powers. I seem to recall that scions' psychic warrior builds in the PsyWar vs. Fighter thread did so. And, I know that all of the psions I've seen played have also done so. (Usually, it's non-shapers grabbing astral construct, but I've seen a seer grab energy missile). And most psions will have access to at least one good power from their exclusive list even without spending any feats, so it's not very realistic to leave discipline powers and powers from other classes entirely out of the equation either.</blockquote>