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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2328161" data-attributes="member: 5777">As others have said, the core is not a good baseline to itself, so which point do you compare to?Each class tends to have its own strengths and weaknesses. Some are shared with other classes, some are unique to itself.Now, we could go through everything in each book where any class is stronger than the others and say that because it is stronger than all of the others in that field it is overpowered, but it would be pointless. Each class 'should' have some strengths over the others, somewhere that it calls home and where it is best qualified to do some job.Taking this a step further, say we were to compare something that one class is bad at to something another class is good at. Then we see a 'huge' disparity in power level for that particular item. Does this mean the one that is good at it is broken? No, it might be, but there is no useful comparison going on here. Even if there was a magical 'baseline' with which to compare just because something is above it to some degree 'also' does not make it broken or overpowered.Some have glossed over any comparisons I have made to the cleric because the cleric is 'overpowered'. This seems rather odd considering what you have just said Al'Kehlar, so now this means that the core is the baseline, but that baseline shifts depending on who you talk to and what they allow and what they call 'overpowered'. Further skewing the line of what is acceptable or not.Still though, the point keeps coming back to the same thing: Just because one class is better at something than another does not make it overpowered directly.It may very well be that some things are overpowered, but it has not been shown. A few people have said, 'in my experience it is overpowered', and a few others have said, 'in my experience it is not overpowered'. The same could be said for nearly every class (possibly every class if you discount some/all of the npc classes, although I have heard of people calling the expert overpowered in 3.0), does that mean that every class is overpowered/underpowered?Nail would like to do a comparison useing SM and AC to show that AC is overpowered. I explained why I felt this was not going to be easy and might wind up being a waste of time, but then asked him to explain why he thought SM was balanced. Just because it is in the core does not make it so, nor should there be an automatic assumption of such. Plus, if he ever did give a thorough analysis which showed why he thought it was then it would provide a decent springboard from which to start a real comparison with AC. Two birds, one stone, good trade right?Whatever this mystical baseline is seems to change from person to person. If we are going to use the core as a baseline then what do we compare with? Nothing can be stronger than it? nothing weaker? nothing far out there where it hasnt tread yet? Nothing that might break some of the rules it set up in intersting ways? This game is run by people, it can be much more open ended than just the core.Besides, the core only has a few things in it, there are multitudes of items out there which would be balanced just fine but that the core hasnt even dreamed of.Just because something doesnt have a corallary in the core does not make it broken. Just because something might be stronger than what is in the core does not make it overpowered.</blockquote>

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