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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowdweller" data-source="post: 2336344" data-attributes="member: 14563"><p>Been away a bit.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>FWIW, my sympathy. It DOES suck to be outperformed in one's supposed area of expertise. However...</p><p></p><p>It is a mistake, IMHO, to expect that any two different classes are equally capable in any specific field. Classes have different strengths, different areas of expertise. And this does not make them unbalanced <em>provided there are counter-balancing strengths</em>: In fact it makes things more interesting because it makes them DIFFERENT.</p><p></p><p>Some core examples, for sake of comparison:</p><p></p><p>Item: Arcane casters give up quite a bit for their spells. They suffer difficulties with armor, have poor hit points, etc. Divine casters don't suffer these penalties...and yet have the exact same Summon Monster list. Does this mean that the divine version of Summon Monster is overpowered?</p><p></p><p>Item: Elsewhere wizards gain certain spells at later levels than clerics do. And they get some spells at earlier levels than clerics do. Are these spells overpowered for the class that gets them earlier?</p><p></p><p>Item: One could argue that arcane casters are better at direct damage, whereas divine casters are better at healing. Are the arcane direct damage spells thus overpowered? Are the divine healing spells?</p><p></p><p>Personal conclusions: As I've actually stated waaaaaaay earlier in this thread, even considering Astral-Construct and Blasty powers, there are also quite a few categories where (IMO) the arcane spell list far and away beats out the psionic power list. Among them: Battlefield control, party buffs, illusions, protective wardings...though without some means of scoring this probably isn't going to establish much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadowdweller, post: 2336344, member: 14563"] Been away a bit. FWIW, my sympathy. It DOES suck to be outperformed in one's supposed area of expertise. However... It is a mistake, IMHO, to expect that any two different classes are equally capable in any specific field. Classes have different strengths, different areas of expertise. And this does not make them unbalanced [I]provided there are counter-balancing strengths[/I]: In fact it makes things more interesting because it makes them DIFFERENT. Some core examples, for sake of comparison: Item: Arcane casters give up quite a bit for their spells. They suffer difficulties with armor, have poor hit points, etc. Divine casters don't suffer these penalties...and yet have the exact same Summon Monster list. Does this mean that the divine version of Summon Monster is overpowered? Item: Elsewhere wizards gain certain spells at later levels than clerics do. And they get some spells at earlier levels than clerics do. Are these spells overpowered for the class that gets them earlier? Item: One could argue that arcane casters are better at direct damage, whereas divine casters are better at healing. Are the arcane direct damage spells thus overpowered? Are the divine healing spells? Personal conclusions: As I've actually stated waaaaaaay earlier in this thread, even considering Astral-Construct and Blasty powers, there are also quite a few categories where (IMO) the arcane spell list far and away beats out the psionic power list. Among them: Battlefield control, party buffs, illusions, protective wardings...though without some means of scoring this probably isn't going to establish much. [/QUOTE]
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