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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2341652" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>Since I guess this is some strange amalgamation thread about the psion I'll ask the question, why? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I'll post a bit here, you can post why you disagree with the conclusion and/or about the parts as you like of course.</p><p></p><p>hd: d8 vs d4</p><p>BAB: Medium vs Poor</p><p>Saves 2 good vs 1 good</p><p>Proficiencies: all simple weapons, all armors, all shields but tower vs 6 simple</p><p>Spells/powers: full access of total list vs small subsection of list</p><p>The psion also has: 5 bonus feats and a discipline (the discipline can be looked at two ways, either it opens up powers that were not accessible before or it makes you choose which small subset of a secondary list you will be able to choose from)</p><p>The cleric also has: turn undead, 2 domain powers, 2 domain spell lists (can be looked at as above, but double, and they get all of them so they dont have to choose a limited number of them, but they cant use their normal slots to cast them generally), much higher spell point equivalency, spontaneous healing/inflicting, and some extra bonus languages.</p><p></p><p>So, since the cleric is majorly ahead in base you must mean in some comparison of powers vs spells. Are the psion powers so very much better than the clerics to make up for the above? If so, how?</p><p></p><p>Edit: I just counted. The cleric, if you count his level 0 and level 1 spells, has more total choices than a level 20 psion. (12 0th, 25 1st = 37 total, add in that domains might give 2 more that is up to 39, vs a 20th level psions 36, and this is with zero splat books) I thought it was interesting <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2341652, member: 5777"] Since I guess this is some strange amalgamation thread about the psion I'll ask the question, why? ;) I'll post a bit here, you can post why you disagree with the conclusion and/or about the parts as you like of course. hd: d8 vs d4 BAB: Medium vs Poor Saves 2 good vs 1 good Proficiencies: all simple weapons, all armors, all shields but tower vs 6 simple Spells/powers: full access of total list vs small subsection of list The psion also has: 5 bonus feats and a discipline (the discipline can be looked at two ways, either it opens up powers that were not accessible before or it makes you choose which small subset of a secondary list you will be able to choose from) The cleric also has: turn undead, 2 domain powers, 2 domain spell lists (can be looked at as above, but double, and they get all of them so they dont have to choose a limited number of them, but they cant use their normal slots to cast them generally), much higher spell point equivalency, spontaneous healing/inflicting, and some extra bonus languages. So, since the cleric is majorly ahead in base you must mean in some comparison of powers vs spells. Are the psion powers so very much better than the clerics to make up for the above? If so, how? Edit: I just counted. The cleric, if you count his level 0 and level 1 spells, has more total choices than a level 20 psion. (12 0th, 25 1st = 37 total, add in that domains might give 2 more that is up to 39, vs a 20th level psions 36, and this is with zero splat books) I thought it was interesting ;) [/QUOTE]
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