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<blockquote data-quote="Barendd Nobeard" data-source="post: 2648035" data-attributes="member: 960">No, he's not exluding the DMG.&nbsp; He's excluding an optional part of the DMG, not the entire book.&nbsp; Misleading?&nbsp; Uh, no, it's not.What part of &quot;Prestige classes are purely optional and always under the purview of the DM&quot; (DMG, page 176) don't you understand?&nbsp; If you ingnore that rule, which is from a core book, you are not playing CORE RULES.The CORE RULE is that Prestige classes are optional, at DM's discretion.A CORE RULES ONLY game can include Prestige Classes or not--at the DM's discretion.If you address all the optional rules listed above (in Rystil Arden's post), your argument would have some credibility.&nbsp; But since you choose only to apply it to Prestige Classes, it just sounds like you are avoiding the evidence which doesn't support your desired conclusion.Now, as a DM, I would explictly mention Prestige Classes being optional, just so players are not surprised later on.&nbsp; But in the games I play in (and run), the players usually discuss the character concept with the DM.&nbsp; Thus, if they're shooting for some PrC, the DM knows before the campaign even starts.&nbsp; How about a little fire, scarecrow?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Barendd Nobeard, post: 2648035, member: 960"] No, he's not exluding the DMG. He's excluding an [u]optional[/u] [u]part[/u] of the DMG, not the entire book. Misleading? Uh, no, it's not. What part of "Prestige classes are purely optional and always under the purview of the DM" (DMG, page 176) don't you understand? If you ingnore that rule, which is from a core book, you are not playing [u]CORE[/u] RULES. The [u]CORE RULE[/u] is that Prestige classes are optional, at DM's discretion. A [u]CORE RULES ONLY[/u] game can include Prestige Classes or not--at the DM's discretion. If you address all the optional rules listed above (in Rystil Arden's post), your argument would have some credibility. But since you choose only to apply it to Prestige Classes, it just sounds like you are avoiding the evidence which doesn't support your desired conclusion. Now, as a DM, I would explictly mention Prestige Classes being optional, just so players are not surprised later on. But in the games I play in (and run), the players usually discuss the character concept with the DM. Thus, if they're shooting for some PrC, the DM knows before the campaign even starts. How about a little fire, scarecrow? [/QUOTE]

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