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<blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1519820" data-attributes="member: 14403"><p>Hmmm... you'd think that if it were that easy to make AP rounds that the US Military would make PAM a standard issue item. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>The way REAL AP rounds work (only my experience with the M-16A2 from my days in the USAF) is that they have a steel penetrator in the bullet which is really just a steel rod. If it hits body armor, the penetrator slides free from the bullet and pierces the armor. It pierces the armor because it concentrates all that force on one point instead of mushrooming out like a normal bullet does.</p><p></p><p>I'd deal with him by running a totally non combat oriented game. Let him build that bang stick, a lot of good it will do him if he never gets into a situation where he can use it. I also don't know about the legality of keeping such a weapon. If he has it stowed in the trunk of his car have him pulled over by the cops because his car matches the description of a car involved in some other crime.</p><p></p><p>Edit: One of the things I don't like about d20 is the way armor works. Pick up an old copy of Twilight:2000 and let him have the automatic shotgun. Buckshot has absolutely NO penetration value. With that rules set a shotgun attack to the chest of someone wearing a kevlar vest will probably knock the wind out of their lungs but do no real and lasting damage to the target. AC in d20 just makes you harder to hit... fine for a fantasy setting but not so much for a modern combat setting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Calico_Jack73, post: 1519820, member: 14403"] Hmmm... you'd think that if it were that easy to make AP rounds that the US Military would make PAM a standard issue item. :) The way REAL AP rounds work (only my experience with the M-16A2 from my days in the USAF) is that they have a steel penetrator in the bullet which is really just a steel rod. If it hits body armor, the penetrator slides free from the bullet and pierces the armor. It pierces the armor because it concentrates all that force on one point instead of mushrooming out like a normal bullet does. I'd deal with him by running a totally non combat oriented game. Let him build that bang stick, a lot of good it will do him if he never gets into a situation where he can use it. I also don't know about the legality of keeping such a weapon. If he has it stowed in the trunk of his car have him pulled over by the cops because his car matches the description of a car involved in some other crime. Edit: One of the things I don't like about d20 is the way armor works. Pick up an old copy of Twilight:2000 and let him have the automatic shotgun. Buckshot has absolutely NO penetration value. With that rules set a shotgun attack to the chest of someone wearing a kevlar vest will probably knock the wind out of their lungs but do no real and lasting damage to the target. AC in d20 just makes you harder to hit... fine for a fantasy setting but not so much for a modern combat setting. [/QUOTE]
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