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<blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 8073744" data-attributes="member: 6845520"><p>Well, for starters, you need to have them figure out that unfortunately a growing number of them frankly just a) simply do not care about Gary Gygax or b) his style of games.</p><p></p><p>My players LOATHE dungeon crawls and have outright told me that they never want to run one without an actual reason for doing so. And while anecdotal I have more than 20 different players across three cities and nearly two <em>decades</em> of age range who have all shared the same thoughts. I don't presume to think that this is the majority of D&D players but it is by far from a small share of players.</p><p></p><p>The problem is largely just a matter of raw incompatibility, not just exposure. The vast majority of D&D gamer at this point weren't even born before Greyhawk began to "fall downhill". Hell, I'm on middle of the pack when it comes of the 5e age range and particularly well informed in the hobby's history for my age, but even <em>I</em> struggle with finding a reason to give a crap about Gygax or Greyhawk. The simple truth is the setting <em>is</em> silly by modern standards, filled with impossible to pronounce names that look rediculous (and are just reference now largely lost to time), over the top cliches, blatant favoritism for Wizards being the One True Class (tm) and a number of dated (and frankly racist/sexist) tropes. ...but to keep this from descending into another thread discussing orcs and heritage/ancestry, I shall leave it there.</p><p></p><p>I mean hell, to put it in perspective, there are people who are fully legal adults who play D&D that have no idea what even Dragonlance is or who Elminster is despite playing D&D set in the realms for years now, outside of two or three references in the PHB or a Book's name. It's the unfortunate truth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MostlyHarmless42, post: 8073744, member: 6845520"] Well, for starters, you need to have them figure out that unfortunately a growing number of them frankly just a) simply do not care about Gary Gygax or b) his style of games. My players LOATHE dungeon crawls and have outright told me that they never want to run one without an actual reason for doing so. And while anecdotal I have more than 20 different players across three cities and nearly two [I]decades[/I] of age range who have all shared the same thoughts. I don't presume to think that this is the majority of D&D players but it is by far from a small share of players. The problem is largely just a matter of raw incompatibility, not just exposure. The vast majority of D&D gamer at this point weren't even born before Greyhawk began to "fall downhill". Hell, I'm on middle of the pack when it comes of the 5e age range and particularly well informed in the hobby's history for my age, but even [I]I[/I] struggle with finding a reason to give a crap about Gygax or Greyhawk. The simple truth is the setting [I]is[/I] silly by modern standards, filled with impossible to pronounce names that look rediculous (and are just reference now largely lost to time), over the top cliches, blatant favoritism for Wizards being the One True Class (tm) and a number of dated (and frankly racist/sexist) tropes. ...but to keep this from descending into another thread discussing orcs and heritage/ancestry, I shall leave it there. I mean hell, to put it in perspective, there are people who are fully legal adults who play D&D that have no idea what even Dragonlance is or who Elminster is despite playing D&D set in the realms for years now, outside of two or three references in the PHB or a Book's name. It's the unfortunate truth. [/QUOTE]
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