Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
For the Love of Greyhawk: Why People Still Fight to Preserve Greyhawk
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 8073778" data-attributes="member: 6845520"><p>To address your point directly: I actually question how many designers there are <em>left</em> that the Greyhawk fans would actually trust that WoTC could actually hire. I hate to keep calling out the passage of time but I don't imagine that is a large pool to draw from, particularly from a business standpoint where WoTC only has so many coveted designer spots in their budget and would gain much more from someone who could work for their company for decades more.</p><p></p><p>To be clear, I do understand Greyhawk and everything that you have said. It is <em>because</em> I have taken the time to research it that I simply do not like it, but I understand why others enjoy it, as I have similar wishes for Dragonlance to be brought up to a modern audience. But I say to you the same I say to Dragonlance fans whom only want to see the setting rerelease the original trilogy reprinted and the series <em>never</em> updated after: nostalgia obsession leads to nothing but the death of any hobby or fandom, and it is the other piece of of the puzzle for WHY the settings other than Forgotten Realms are in the state that they are in. It is <strong>not</strong> just all the fault of TSR or WotC. And hell, this is coming from one of the biggest critics of Disney Star Wars here.</p><p></p><p>We have to realize that most of the settings at this point are so dated they basically are all blank slates at this point to the majority of the WoTC audience, and like it or not, if a setting is to continue existing it needs to have a <em>reason</em> to exist. You claiming "Sword and sorcery" is nice and all, and I understand what you mean because I'm a fantasy junkie, but most of the people who play the game frankly do not know the difference between Sword and Sorcery and High Magic, to them it's all just "let's be elves and dwarves and go fight dragons with flaming swords." I <em>could</em> seen a solid argument for maybe making Greyhawk the setting for those who prefer a traditional sandbox campaign largely focused on dungeon crawls, but again I hark back to my earlier post: does enough of the modern D&D customer base <em>care</em> enough to actually make making such a book, especially when the large part of the Greyhawk fans will hate the book anyway? Opening it up to the DMG guild is honestly probably the best call they could make.</p><p></p><p>Related point: I'd actually like to see the actual metrics on hardcore Greyhawk fans and if they still largely play first or second edition versions of the game compared to 5e to be frank. I'd wager a large sum that most of them don't even play 5e, and it would largely be more profitable to just reprint older modules anyway that are out of print, but I welcome being proven wrong on this point. To the point of updating older modules, I point you to multiple books we've already had: Tales of the Yawning Portal, Curse of Strahd, and Saltmarsh.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MostlyHarmless42, post: 8073778, member: 6845520"] To address your point directly: I actually question how many designers there are [I]left[/I] that the Greyhawk fans would actually trust that WoTC could actually hire. I hate to keep calling out the passage of time but I don't imagine that is a large pool to draw from, particularly from a business standpoint where WoTC only has so many coveted designer spots in their budget and would gain much more from someone who could work for their company for decades more. To be clear, I do understand Greyhawk and everything that you have said. It is [I]because[/I] I have taken the time to research it that I simply do not like it, but I understand why others enjoy it, as I have similar wishes for Dragonlance to be brought up to a modern audience. But I say to you the same I say to Dragonlance fans whom only want to see the setting rerelease the original trilogy reprinted and the series [I]never[/I] updated after: nostalgia obsession leads to nothing but the death of any hobby or fandom, and it is the other piece of of the puzzle for WHY the settings other than Forgotten Realms are in the state that they are in. It is [B]not[/B] just all the fault of TSR or WotC. And hell, this is coming from one of the biggest critics of Disney Star Wars here. We have to realize that most of the settings at this point are so dated they basically are all blank slates at this point to the majority of the WoTC audience, and like it or not, if a setting is to continue existing it needs to have a [I]reason[/I] to exist. You claiming "Sword and sorcery" is nice and all, and I understand what you mean because I'm a fantasy junkie, but most of the people who play the game frankly do not know the difference between Sword and Sorcery and High Magic, to them it's all just "let's be elves and dwarves and go fight dragons with flaming swords." I [I]could[/I] seen a solid argument for maybe making Greyhawk the setting for those who prefer a traditional sandbox campaign largely focused on dungeon crawls, but again I hark back to my earlier post: does enough of the modern D&D customer base [I]care[/I] enough to actually make making such a book, especially when the large part of the Greyhawk fans will hate the book anyway? Opening it up to the DMG guild is honestly probably the best call they could make. Related point: I'd actually like to see the actual metrics on hardcore Greyhawk fans and if they still largely play first or second edition versions of the game compared to 5e to be frank. I'd wager a large sum that most of them don't even play 5e, and it would largely be more profitable to just reprint older modules anyway that are out of print, but I welcome being proven wrong on this point. To the point of updating older modules, I point you to multiple books we've already had: Tales of the Yawning Portal, Curse of Strahd, and Saltmarsh. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
For the Love of Greyhawk: Why People Still Fight to Preserve Greyhawk
Top