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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8075791" data-attributes="member: 7023840">From my perspective, as the OP and a major contributor to this thread, that is not accurate.First, there is no such thing as a monolithic "Greyhawk fans" group. I have tried very hard to make sure that I keep writing that I do not speak for all, or most, Greyhawk fans, but I simply offer my perspective. There have been others that have chimed in here, that I am familiar with from other places, that are amazing repositories of knowledge of all that is Greyhawk (such as [USER=1613]@grodog[/USER] and [USER=5089]@Mortellan[/USER] ). I don't think that we would all necessarily agree on every single thing, and that's okay! Moreover, there are people that are real fans of Greyhawk that came about solely because of some of the late-2e work (the From the Ashes timeline) or the 3e Mona work. Those are all fans of Greyhawk, and they have varying (and valuable) opinions.Just like it would be clear error to say that "All Forgotten Realms fans" or "All players of B/X" would say something, or like something, or approve of something, it's the same here. Quite frankly, I am tired of this criticism, because of course people that are passionate about something offer opinions! Whenever the topic of a possible lore book for Forgotten Realms comes up, or any book, really, there are people that say that they want it certain things. And yet, I don't see people come into the Forgotten Realms lore threads, or Dark Sun threads, and make comments like, "Well, all you FR fans are the same, and you don't agree on the exact nature of the product, so it shouldn't be made."And that brings me to the second point. There is a lot of really good and interesting discussion that is always fun. And yet, there are two particular strains of comments that seems to recur-A. "The Dragonborn." I'm using this as a synecdoche for the larger issue, but for whatever reason, whenever Greyhawk comes up, there is a contingent of people that demands that it be a generic setting. I'm not sure why this is; but given that every new campaign setting release by WoTC has included at least some new mechanics and restrictions (of varying amounts, some little, some more), it is odd that some people who do not seem overly invested in having a Greyhawk released, nevertheless find the time to demand that a hypothetical product be nothing more than "generic D&D." Personally, I am indifferent to what new mechanics (backgrounds, races, classes, rules) are added, or what restrictions are put in, but I don't want or need a "generic" Greyhawk. The places, names, maps, etc. are already available.B. "Thank you for explaining what you want. Now, let me tell you why you are wrong." One of the many frustrating things about an internet forum is that it rarely operates like a conversation; instead, it is almost always a debate. In other words- thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Except without the synthesis. And a side-effect of that is what is referred to as sea-lioning. So when you have fans of different settings (such as Eberron, or Forgotten Realms) continually demand that you keep explaining why you like a setting, and then tell you why that isn't sufficient, and then demand you explain it again, etc.- well, eventually you just ignore them. Because there are plenty of resources (here, elsewhere) to learn about Greyhawk if that's what they really want; if they just want to keep asserting that they don't see the need for the product, then time is better spent not engaging with them. On this matter, or any other.In the end, an updated Greyhawk cannot and would not be about running it "old school" again with level caps, and an incredibly limited palette of races and classes, and dwarves and elves constantly bickering. If you want to do that, as I keep saying, get a retroclone, download the 1983 Folio, and use the excellent resources available on the web, including:[URL unfurl="true"]https://greyhawkery.blogspot.com/[/URL][URL unfurl="true"]http://www.canonfire.com/cf/index.php[/URL]But a new and vibrant campaign setting, that incorporated aspects of the old while paving the way for the new in a way that introduced new fans to the setting? That's something I would love. As I write, the thing that matters most is the quality of the end product. Take the best, and leave the rest.</blockquote>

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