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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8076140" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>This is gonna be a long post...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Tiefling makes a lot of sense not because of Iuz, but because of the Great Kingdom and Ivid IV. Unless you use the demonic origins for tieflings. Then the "attack" on sight is even more relevant because so many were killed by devils and demons that people will assume you are one. Yet, yes they can be incorporated with a nice back story and if they are accompanied by known good guys. The Greyhawk Wars made sure that people know about demons and devil aplenty.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, wiki isn't the best. But it is a start. Varied sources of information is always better than only one. So get to your Greyhawk wikki.</p><p>You lazy s... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Greyhawk is a world that has magic but where lost empire's ruins can be found and explored. The place has known quite a few disasters and magic, though still powerful is not readily available to anyone. You do not have zounds of high level characters at every corner of a street. They are rare and far between. Many will try to acquire power but the risks are high. When just finding a raise dead can be problematic, do you really want to take crazy risks? It is a sword and sorcery where magic is still present, powerful but in the hands of lost tomb or powerful and reclusive spell casters.</p><p></p><p>Demi-humans are slowly disapearing as humans take all the place in the worlds. The eleven solution has been either reclusion and isolationism (Celene) or inclusion and alliance (Vesve) and few other of inbetween. The humanocentrism should be a thing. The decline of the demi-humans should be played out and shown with a good emphasis.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To answer this would require a lot. Greyhawk grew because the Old Great Kingdom was in decline. It used to be an empire spanning almost the entire eastern continent but fell in decadence and lost many of its peripheral provinces. Like Furyondy, Nyrond and others. Greyhawk was such a starting province when the Great Kindom let it loose. It took Zaggig Yragren and his imperialistic views to bring Greyhawk into what it is now. Naturally, Zaggig didn't care one iota about the city or the citizen and they were "free" to do as they pleased as long as he had a steady source of income to further is ascencion into godhood (which he did succeede to attain). The Freedom accorded by Zaggig to his citizen was unheard of in a pseudo medieval society and Greyhawk was the first of such cities. Thus the name Free City stuck. Remember than in a foedal state, peasant, serfs and almost anyone else belong to the nobility which can almost do anything with their "property". Thus the idea of free men, emanating from Greyhawk spread to other lands and prompted a more "civilized" to what could and should not be done to people.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know that Anime. Don't even care to watch or read it. Could you make me an entire resumé of the serie with detailed information so that I can make my mind? It would really help me to understand why you love that anime.</p><p></p><p>See? What you say can be turned around. If you have never read Conan, Games of Throne, Elric or any other fantasy book, you might have seen some relevant movies? Conan? Lords of the rings? This circular logic isn't going anywhere and it is almost bad faith.</p><p>Greyhawk can be resumed this way: It is a blend of sword and sorcery where magic is rare but not unheard of. Powerful magic users and priests do exist but they are rare to the extreme. It is a world where some gods litteraly walk the earth and either kill or help the mortals according to their whims. The world was ravaged by many world shaking event and it is now recuperating from such an event barely. Humans forms the vast majority of the world's population and demi-humans are on the brink of extinction because of man's folly and their own too. Yet, some countries are bright examples of order and goodness but they have suffered from the war too. You can have the LG knight in shining armor fight demons one day only to see him besieged in his castle by his LG neighbor the next because of dispute in territory.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The world is just recuperating from a major war. People were on their way to find the truths of the past but the war put a major set back on these discoveries. Contrary to other settings. Your players when they reach high level, are a force to be reckoned with. They can be the world changers. They are not minor players, they are the major league. Even in mid level, they get more respect from the people in charge than in any other setting. When the lord that hires you is barely above your level (if he has any). He is not going to talk to you as if you owed him. He will expect respect, but he will give you respect too. If you can kill the dragon plaguing is land and he can't; he's better be nice with you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly. There is a lot of room to expand kingdoms or even to create your own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8076140, member: 6855114"] This is gonna be a long post... Tiefling makes a lot of sense not because of Iuz, but because of the Great Kingdom and Ivid IV. Unless you use the demonic origins for tieflings. Then the "attack" on sight is even more relevant because so many were killed by devils and demons that people will assume you are one. Yet, yes they can be incorporated with a nice back story and if they are accompanied by known good guys. The Greyhawk Wars made sure that people know about demons and devil aplenty. Yes, wiki isn't the best. But it is a start. Varied sources of information is always better than only one. So get to your Greyhawk wikki. You lazy s... ;) Greyhawk is a world that has magic but where lost empire's ruins can be found and explored. The place has known quite a few disasters and magic, though still powerful is not readily available to anyone. You do not have zounds of high level characters at every corner of a street. They are rare and far between. Many will try to acquire power but the risks are high. When just finding a raise dead can be problematic, do you really want to take crazy risks? It is a sword and sorcery where magic is still present, powerful but in the hands of lost tomb or powerful and reclusive spell casters. Demi-humans are slowly disapearing as humans take all the place in the worlds. The eleven solution has been either reclusion and isolationism (Celene) or inclusion and alliance (Vesve) and few other of inbetween. The humanocentrism should be a thing. The decline of the demi-humans should be played out and shown with a good emphasis. To answer this would require a lot. Greyhawk grew because the Old Great Kingdom was in decline. It used to be an empire spanning almost the entire eastern continent but fell in decadence and lost many of its peripheral provinces. Like Furyondy, Nyrond and others. Greyhawk was such a starting province when the Great Kindom let it loose. It took Zaggig Yragren and his imperialistic views to bring Greyhawk into what it is now. Naturally, Zaggig didn't care one iota about the city or the citizen and they were "free" to do as they pleased as long as he had a steady source of income to further is ascencion into godhood (which he did succeede to attain). The Freedom accorded by Zaggig to his citizen was unheard of in a pseudo medieval society and Greyhawk was the first of such cities. Thus the name Free City stuck. Remember than in a foedal state, peasant, serfs and almost anyone else belong to the nobility which can almost do anything with their "property". Thus the idea of free men, emanating from Greyhawk spread to other lands and prompted a more "civilized" to what could and should not be done to people. I don't know that Anime. Don't even care to watch or read it. Could you make me an entire resumé of the serie with detailed information so that I can make my mind? It would really help me to understand why you love that anime. See? What you say can be turned around. If you have never read Conan, Games of Throne, Elric or any other fantasy book, you might have seen some relevant movies? Conan? Lords of the rings? This circular logic isn't going anywhere and it is almost bad faith. Greyhawk can be resumed this way: It is a blend of sword and sorcery where magic is rare but not unheard of. Powerful magic users and priests do exist but they are rare to the extreme. It is a world where some gods litteraly walk the earth and either kill or help the mortals according to their whims. The world was ravaged by many world shaking event and it is now recuperating from such an event barely. Humans forms the vast majority of the world's population and demi-humans are on the brink of extinction because of man's folly and their own too. Yet, some countries are bright examples of order and goodness but they have suffered from the war too. You can have the LG knight in shining armor fight demons one day only to see him besieged in his castle by his LG neighbor the next because of dispute in territory. The world is just recuperating from a major war. People were on their way to find the truths of the past but the war put a major set back on these discoveries. Contrary to other settings. Your players when they reach high level, are a force to be reckoned with. They can be the world changers. They are not minor players, they are the major league. Even in mid level, they get more respect from the people in charge than in any other setting. When the lord that hires you is barely above your level (if he has any). He is not going to talk to you as if you owed him. He will expect respect, but he will give you respect too. If you can kill the dragon plaguing is land and he can't; he's better be nice with you. Exactly. There is a lot of room to expand kingdoms or even to create your own. [/QUOTE]
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