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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8077748" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Ah, I also read them when I was younger, so I likely missed those as well. Honestly, I don't remember the plots of the novels very well, just some of the big ticket metaphysics ideas.What the flying...Extreme Entitlement? I'm literally asking what about the setting makes it worth exploring? How can that possibly be entitled? I'm not demanding it gets made or not made, I came to this thread wondering the same question that got asked a dozen times. What is the hook that makes it a setting worth buying? If I walked into a LFGS... well, I guess in this example it is going to be a LGS and see "New GreyHawk 5e setting" and asked the guy behind the counter "Hey, is this worth buying?" and their responses was "Only if you are a fan of the works of Howard and Morcock and really understand the complexities of Sword and Sorcerery settings" then... well, not buying it. And if the person behind the counter told me I was acting entitled just for asking the question in the first place, well, I'm not shopping at that store anymore.Ah, so my entitlement comes from the position of both acknowleding that I am ignorant (I haven't read those books. Sorry.) and saying that if it is impossible to even explain the setting without that context, which by the way, no one else has had a problem explaining any other setting, then it might have problems. I mean, truly consider this for a moment. You want WoTC to see that this is a setting worth selling, but you can't even explain the appeal to someone unless they have a grounding in very specific media. Very specific old media. This would be like someone developing a Middle Earth video game, but you can only enjoy the game if you've read The Silmarillion. That game isn't going to sell well, because you have limited your audience to an extreme degree.I'm sorry if you feel I was rude, but I'm honestly getting frustrated here. I started reading this thread hoping to gain some insights into Greyhawk, some of the lore and the setting that I could dig my teeth into. Instead, I find myself defending my lack of knowledge on certain fantasy topics and my taste in authors. I came here to learn, and instead I feel like I'm getting attacked as some sort of "problem" because I am asking fans of the setting to tell me about it, instead of researching it online. But... read the title of the thread. "Why people still fight to preserve Greyahwk". That is supposed to be what this thread is about. Why do people defend it, why do they love it. And, from the last few pages... I can't tell you. Because they liked Conan I guess. They like gritty settings that are all gritty with everyone being immoral and fighting an evil force because the balance between good and evil must be maintained. Elves and dwarves are dying races that have no impact, because it is all about humanity. I mean, I guess if I absolutely had to answer why someone loved Greyhawk, if I synthesized everything I've been able to glean between the lines. It is this. Greyhawk is a world that doesn't care about you. Where humans rule, and the only things that matter are money and power. No one is going to help you, no one is going to support you, and your only way in this world is to gain enough money and power to be able to protect yourself. Others if you feel like it. You play Greyhawk to be a band of mercenaries jobbing for gold, and praying you live long enough to spend it.</blockquote>

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