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For the Love of Greyhawk: Why People Still Fight to Preserve Greyhawk
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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8079687" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>No, it comes from you complaining that people implied you couldn't have a meaningful part in the conversation, whilst refusing to learn about what is being discussed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>ROFL! I don't even LIKE Greyhawk. Not sure where you've got this little bit of mad stuff from, but I've never expressed any particularly positive feelings towards the setting, and my first post in this thread clearly outlines where I don't think it can work without massive changes.</p><p></p><p>I specifically DO NOT think it's worth selling.</p><p></p><p>I just don't think people who don't want to (or don't want to make any effort to) understand something have any place in nuanced discussions about that thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think it does warrant that. I guess you do, but don't attribute that opinion to me. My point is that you can't understand the vibe without understanding what Sword and Sorcery is, and if you make no effort at all to understand it, then you can't really discuss it.</p><p></p><p>Also "a bunch of 40+ year old books" is some misleading nonsense. We're talking mostly short stories, and the word-count total on all the ones you'd need to "get" to understand S&S is pretty tiny, a lot less than the kind of fantasy novel that's routine today. Would you say it was unreasonable to expect someone to read ONE modern fantasy novel to properly understand the discussion about a setting directly derivative from that novel? Because that's what you're advocating for, effectively.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8079687, member: 18"] No, it comes from you complaining that people implied you couldn't have a meaningful part in the conversation, whilst refusing to learn about what is being discussed. ROFL! I don't even LIKE Greyhawk. Not sure where you've got this little bit of mad stuff from, but I've never expressed any particularly positive feelings towards the setting, and my first post in this thread clearly outlines where I don't think it can work without massive changes. I specifically DO NOT think it's worth selling. I just don't think people who don't want to (or don't want to make any effort to) understand something have any place in nuanced discussions about that thing. I don't think it does warrant that. I guess you do, but don't attribute that opinion to me. My point is that you can't understand the vibe without understanding what Sword and Sorcery is, and if you make no effort at all to understand it, then you can't really discuss it. Also "a bunch of 40+ year old books" is some misleading nonsense. We're talking mostly short stories, and the word-count total on all the ones you'd need to "get" to understand S&S is pretty tiny, a lot less than the kind of fantasy novel that's routine today. Would you say it was unreasonable to expect someone to read ONE modern fantasy novel to properly understand the discussion about a setting directly derivative from that novel? Because that's what you're advocating for, effectively. [/QUOTE]
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