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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8080282" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>REH's Conan stories are fantasy adventure set against a backdrop of "psedo-Earth" that he calls The Hyborian Age.</p><p></p><p>Instead of Spaniards we have Zingarans. Instead of South Asians we have Vendhyans. Instead of East Asians we have people from Khitai. Etc. What this means is that REH can tell stories that draw on real-world tropes and stereotypes without worrying about being faithful to real-world history.</p><p></p><p>In some cases this produces racist stories, but in other cases it is an effective narrative device.</p><p></p><p>Greyhawk is very similar to this. Instead of Switzerland we have Perrenland. Instead of Arabia and Central Asia we have Baklun and the Plains of the Paynims. Instead of high mediaeval Britain or France seen through the lens of Athurian myth, we have the paladin-ruled Kingdom of Furyondy. Instead of a decadent Roman Empire we have the collapsing Great Kingdom with break-away provinces and ruled by decadent fiend-worshippers. Except in a few cases (Perrenland, the Baklun, the pseudo-Vikings) the 1:1 correlation is not quite as strong as in REH's Conan stories, but the overall vibe is there. Another difference from REH is that demihumans are dealt in, creating correlations not with the real world but with JRRT/LotR as per [USER=21169]@Doug McCrae[/USER]'s post upthread.</p><p></p><p>Just as REH's world of the Hyborian Age was not intended to be an object of study in itself, but rather a backdrop to be drawn upon for literary purposes, so the WoG does not reward being treated as an object of study in itself. It's a backdrop for faux-medieaveal FRPGing. As I posted upthread, it delivers all the tropes one needs, the bulk of them all able to be found right there in the middle of the maps.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if that's a good sales pitch or not, but that's what GH has to offer.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: inserted missing <strong>not</strong> in "does not reward being treated as an object of study in itself".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8080282, member: 42582"] REH's Conan stories are fantasy adventure set against a backdrop of "psedo-Earth" that he calls The Hyborian Age. Instead of Spaniards we have Zingarans. Instead of South Asians we have Vendhyans. Instead of East Asians we have people from Khitai. Etc. What this means is that REH can tell stories that draw on real-world tropes and stereotypes without worrying about being faithful to real-world history. In some cases this produces racist stories, but in other cases it is an effective narrative device. Greyhawk is very similar to this. Instead of Switzerland we have Perrenland. Instead of Arabia and Central Asia we have Baklun and the Plains of the Paynims. Instead of high mediaeval Britain or France seen through the lens of Athurian myth, we have the paladin-ruled Kingdom of Furyondy. Instead of a decadent Roman Empire we have the collapsing Great Kingdom with break-away provinces and ruled by decadent fiend-worshippers. Except in a few cases (Perrenland, the Baklun, the pseudo-Vikings) the 1:1 correlation is not quite as strong as in REH's Conan stories, but the overall vibe is there. Another difference from REH is that demihumans are dealt in, creating correlations not with the real world but with JRRT/LotR as per [USER=21169]@Doug McCrae[/USER]'s post upthread. Just as REH's world of the Hyborian Age was not intended to be an object of study in itself, but rather a backdrop to be drawn upon for literary purposes, so the WoG does not reward being treated as an object of study in itself. It's a backdrop for faux-medieaveal FRPGing. As I posted upthread, it delivers all the tropes one needs, the bulk of them all able to be found right there in the middle of the maps. I don't know if that's a good sales pitch or not, but that's what GH has to offer. EDIT: inserted missing [B]not[/B] in "does not reward being treated as an object of study in itself". [/QUOTE]
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