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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8081378" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I noticed, and I've tried to respond to some of them. A couple had some very good ideas in them.Well, if that is sarcastic, decent jibe. If that is true... fine I guess. No need for you to listen to my opinion on anything if you don't want to. I'm just glad my introduction to DnD didn't feature so many roadblocks. People tend to be so much more willing to talk in person.Sure, but I could have read something completely unrelated that had the vibe too. Or might have gotten a different vibe from whatever. But none of that matters if I'm dismissed from the discussion for trying to figure out what the setting even is.DnD is always going to be different than the Fantasy Novels because it is a group activity instead of a solo activity. That fact alone is a seismic shift in the way it is approached. And DnD is always more of a mirror than anything else. I think that is why homebrew is so popular, because we want to use it to mirror our inspirations. I know I took and ran a game (cut short by Covid) that was partially inspired by LitRPG novels , and posited a world where levels and skills are a real thing the characters are aware of within in the world. It was interesting, but sadly short-lived.(Why do I do this to myself?)No.By the time I learned of the Witcher games, by gaming console was broken and they were quite a few years old. Then I heard of the novels, but I wasn't able to put them on a Christmas list (my most reliable way to afford new books)  because most of them are in Dutch I believe it was, and my family might have accidentally bought the original language copies. My first indication that the TV series was a thing was finding a Youtube singer I follow doing a cover of the song, and I haven't watched a TV series at all in the last.... six months? I know it was right around that time and it was this year I think. So, I haven't watched the Netflix series either.I can't say that there aren't people whose opinions on a particular discussion are less valuable, and I certainly can't say that some people are better informed than others, that is a statement so blindingly obvious that there is no way to argue against it. But I also think the impulse to silence people whose opinions we shouldn't listen to is often misplaced, because sometimes people can surprise us. I never block people, because even people I have had some very frustrating conversations with have, at a later date, said something I agreed with. And, again since we seem to keep drifting off topic. I did not start with putting forth opinions. I started with asking people about their opinions. The only reason anyone even knows I have limited exposure to those novels is that after someone answered with "it is like sword and sorcerery" I explained that that shorthand explanation did not help me. That is what sparked this storm, followed closely by my being honest that I did not have the time to read the genre in the lifespan of this thread. I mean, it hasn't even been a week yet. I'd still be trying to find time to go to the library, assuming my library even had something worth getting.Sure, and not understanding the history of slavery and the personal involvement of Melville in the political climate of his time can also leave you missing the allusions and thematics of Moby Dick. That is why someone can be a scholar of only a single author, because the majority of writing alludes to past works, present concerns, and suppositions of the future. Meaning that is you want absolutely concrete understanding of everything about a work you need to devote a lot of time, effort and knowledge to that pursuit. Maybe my position keeps getting distorted though, because I never claimed I could have 100% accurate understanding of Greyhawk. I just said I could understand it well enough to have a discussion. Don't need to have read the Bible to understand what a Redemption Arc is, even though the concept of redemption in Western Canon likely found its roots in the Biblical texts (which found their roots in older stories (Which found their roots in older stories))You know, I got to thinking about it, but Greyhawk is a setting in quite a bit of active turmoil, isn't it? Of all the major settings I am familiar with, that does make it fairly unique. FR I think might have wars, but wars are the events, they are not baked into the fabric of the setting. Eberron has the Shadow of a war past, and the shadow of a potential future war, but the point is to prevent that next war from happening. Darksun is a world in the apocalypse and ruled by a cabal of incredible powerful beings. Greyhawk though, seems like it has a lot of low burning wars, constantly, which is a very different world in and of itself.I get that frustration, but do you want me to lie? To say that "oh yes, I completely understood that reference and see how it applies to this discussion" when I don't? And, there have been quite a few posters in this thread that have presented information and concepts from Greyhawk that I do get, that do paint me at least some image of the setting, even if it isn't one that is always unique or compelling.</blockquote>

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