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For the Love of Greyhawk: Why People Still Fight to Preserve Greyhawk
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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8084118" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is a complete failure as a rational argument. I'm not even sure why you think it's a rational argument. It's bizarre.</p><p></p><p>Specifically your argument from the previous post appears to be that, to all intents and purposes, S&S and noir are either the same, or so similar that it doesn't matter. It is irrational and unreasonable, in that case, to claim that the number and kind of differences doesn't matter, if some similarities, however weak, can be identified. I'm pretty sure that, by that logic, we can claim any number of deeply disparate genres are "the same", because a lot of very different genres contain similar elements if you boil them down enough.</p><p></p><p>I've pointed out a number of pretty fundamental differences, in tone, in structure, in the information they convey and so on. They're genres with some crossover, but they also have considerable differences. Neither is a subset of the other, rather they're essentially two Venn diagrams, that where they intersect, we have The Witcher.</p><p></p><p>I also think that your reliance on other people (including me) telling you stuff here is completely proving my point about how, if you make zero effort to find out about something, you won't understand it very well. You're just leaping on any tiny thing you think you do understand, and trying to make it all about that. It's not helpful.</p><p></p><p>If you're not trying to argue that noir and S&S are essentially the same then I have no idea what you are trying to argue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8084118, member: 18"] This is a complete failure as a rational argument. I'm not even sure why you think it's a rational argument. It's bizarre. Specifically your argument from the previous post appears to be that, to all intents and purposes, S&S and noir are either the same, or so similar that it doesn't matter. It is irrational and unreasonable, in that case, to claim that the number and kind of differences doesn't matter, if some similarities, however weak, can be identified. I'm pretty sure that, by that logic, we can claim any number of deeply disparate genres are "the same", because a lot of very different genres contain similar elements if you boil them down enough. I've pointed out a number of pretty fundamental differences, in tone, in structure, in the information they convey and so on. They're genres with some crossover, but they also have considerable differences. Neither is a subset of the other, rather they're essentially two Venn diagrams, that where they intersect, we have The Witcher. I also think that your reliance on other people (including me) telling you stuff here is completely proving my point about how, if you make zero effort to find out about something, you won't understand it very well. You're just leaping on any tiny thing you think you do understand, and trying to make it all about that. It's not helpful. If you're not trying to argue that noir and S&S are essentially the same then I have no idea what you are trying to argue. [/QUOTE]
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