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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8084904" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Hmm, I see your point, but I'm not sure I'd say it is an artifact of the Noir hero being weak or ineffectual. More that the society is more resistant to change. Many Noir heroes that I've read fall into either the &quot;dying breed&quot; style, where they are pining for the good ol days in a world where the new is strangling the old, or they are deeply scarred. They have fought their war, and want to rest, but they can't. I will agree though that the S&amp;S hero is a power Fantasy and the Noir Hero is not, and I think that approach is interesting. A S&amp;S hero is jaded and&nbsp; mercenary because he is a strong man who only bothers to interact with society for the vices he desires. A Noir hero is jaded and mercenary because society has broken him, torn him down and forced upon him vices that he cannot get rid of.Still, a fair point because of the tone, style and purpose of the stories.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8084904, member: 6801228"] Hmm, I see your point, but I'm not sure I'd say it is an artifact of the Noir hero being weak or ineffectual. More that the society is more resistant to change. Many Noir heroes that I've read fall into either the "dying breed" style, where they are pining for the good ol days in a world where the new is strangling the old, or they are deeply scarred. They have fought their war, and want to rest, but they can't. I will agree though that the S&S hero is a power Fantasy and the Noir Hero is not, and I think that approach is interesting. A S&S hero is jaded and mercenary because he is a strong man who only bothers to interact with society for the vices he desires. A Noir hero is jaded and mercenary because society has broken him, torn him down and forced upon him vices that he cannot get rid of. Still, a fair point because of the tone, style and purpose of the stories. [/QUOTE]

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