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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8087198" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Tackling the last point first, do we want to consider angering the Greek Gods as not conforming to the morality of the world? For example, in the tale of Psyche Aphrodite is angered because other people are claiming that Psyche is as beautiful as her. The Girl herself does nothing to spark the Goddess's ire, and yet she is the one to be punished. Yes, there is a morality that these heroes might fail to meet, but the Gods also fail to meet these standards and are shown up at times. Let us look at Aragorn again, who in actuality most people did not know he was to be a king. No one is judging him based on his royal blood, except himself. He feels he should abide by that standard, no one set the standard and then told him he had to meet it. And, Conan is the only one of these characters I've heard enough about to say this for certain, but he does have a moral code. It is simply an older code, and if in some stories he is completely without morals, that does not mean the code is not still present. Just because no one else believes in the morality of Conan, or tells him it should be that way, does not mean that the morality does not exist.This is the choice that makes the most sense I think. Unless they go the "Kingdoms and Warfare setting" route, this is the only other one with a good chance of working.I'm not trying to "poo poo" anything, but I am saying that counting the characters cannot be enough. It can't. I'm going to take an Urban Fantasy series off my shelf, and I'm going to try and use only the first three books of the series.We've got the main character, her roommate, her partner, her partners wife (they have a huge crowd of children, but I don't think any of them play a big role in the first three stories), A demon, the demon's former slave who was freed, A dangerous boyfriend, a romantic interest/rival, the rival's butler, Law Enforcement Captain, Captain's Son and liason with MC, friendly werewolf, Friendly Vampire, Vampire Boss, MC's Mother, A Friendly Gargoyle, Super Powerful Demon,That gives us what? 17 major characters over three books? LoTR is the Nine from the Fellowship, Elrond and his daughter, the Rohan King and his daughter, Treebeard, Sauroman, Sauron, King of Gondor, his son, Wormtongue, and that's about it? Bombadill could maybe be another major character. That is about 20. So, my Urban Fantasy book should count as Epic Fantasy, right? Except it most certainly does not. Even if I counted the other Eleven books in the series (which add more characters of course) still I doubt anyone would say this is in the Epic Fantasy Genre.</blockquote>

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