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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8088059" data-attributes="member: 18">You seem to undermining yourself pretty badly here.Epic fantasy is a modern genre. Claiming Journey to the West is "epic fantasy" is both misunderstanding what a myth-cycle which formed over millennia is, and rather insulting to a pretty important culture myth. Likewise the others. I doubt most Greeks in say, 700 BCE, thought the Iliad was very "fantastical".The Divine Comedy is the only one which is remotely comparable, and it has none of the features of the modern, 20th-century and later genre "epic fantasy".Okay, I'm done.You're not even trying, argument-wise. A decade or two? Where are you getting this totally false stuff from?REH wrote Conan stories between 1932 and 1936, when he committed suicide. They were republished for decades, up to the present day, and still popular enough that people based films on them in 1982 and 2011. Even before him there were authors considered to be either S&S or closely related to it.Other writers, often inspired by REH's works, continued the genre onwards, and it continued into the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and 1980s in literary format. The term wasn't coined until 1961, by a then-young Fritz Leiber. Moorcock didn't even start writing until the 1960s.In the late 1980s and 1990s, and particularly '00s, all fantasy which isn't post-Tolkenian epic fantasy, whether it's S&S, or just fantasy that doesn't consistent of lengthy series of lengthy books has been increasingly, over that period, squeezed to the margins of the genre in terms of financial success, and the short-story magazines and collections which were where S&S was largely published have gradually faded away.But not so outside literary fantasy. In RPGs, in TV/movie fantasy, in comics (especially in comics!), in video games, S&S was the dominant aesthetic, and remained so up to perhaps the 2000s, but it's still a common aesthetic, or even integrated into the aesthetic.You're saying you've read articles and so on, but when you say "a decade or two", it's clear you haven't even read the wikipedia article, which I would think would normally be the starting point:[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery[/URL]Either way I'm done, given that you've completely proven my point that if you don't try to find out about something, you will do a terrible job of arguing about it - this could scarcely be more perfectly illustrated than by summing up "1930 to 1990" as "a decade or two".</blockquote>

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