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For the Love of Greyhawk: Why People Still Fight to Preserve Greyhawk
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8088224" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>That's weird on a lot of levels. Let me go through them.</p><p></p><p>1. Greyhawk isn't Lord of the Rings. That's pretty simple.</p><p></p><p>2. If you're playing "old school" (as in with 1e tables of racial adjustments), your problem isn't just tieflings; it's also relationships with elves and dwarves (for example) or any "monstrous" race, and so on. Fear of outsiders is not uncommon in some older modules (memorably, Ravenloft). But this isn't old school- I am advocating for a 5e Greyhawk.</p><p></p><p>3. The reason that "Tieflings" would be viewed suspiciously in a place like Keoland ... is because most beings with infernal or demonic heritage were a big problem in areas of Greyhawk- because of Iuz and the Great Kingdom (to use two examples). This would be similar to saying, "I know I'm I chose to play an Orc, and I know that this village is repeatedly ransacked by orcs, but it isn't fair that the villagers are suspicious of me!" Or to use a more modern example, "Sure, I chose to play an evil monk that belongs to the fascist and racist Scarlet Brotherhood, and I realize that the elves I'm hanging out with found out about it, but why don't they like me?"</p><p></p><p>4. All of that said ... I don't care! Really! I think I have now repeated 5,492 times in these threads (numbers are approximate) that nothing ... nothing is annoying as the Dragonborn canard. I do not care if you play a Dragonborn. I do not care if a new Greyhawk has some allotment for "seafaring" Dragonborn, or their own Kingdom in the land of black ice, or Hemponoland, or whatever. I do not care if they are treated with hostility, or treated as a curiosity, or treated with genuflection as if they sprung fully formed from the brow of Gygax ready to save Oerth. This is literally the least interesting thing about a setting, ever.</p><p></p><p>And I am beside myself that WoTC has managed to publish settings without Dragonborn with nary a squeak (but it's fine because REASONS!).... and yet there is the same bizarre debate that keeps coming up?</p><p></p><p>I honestly do not understand this. I could care less if Dragonborn are an invasive alien species that crash landed in the Barrier Peaks. Good?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8088224, member: 7023840"] That's weird on a lot of levels. Let me go through them. 1. Greyhawk isn't Lord of the Rings. That's pretty simple. 2. If you're playing "old school" (as in with 1e tables of racial adjustments), your problem isn't just tieflings; it's also relationships with elves and dwarves (for example) or any "monstrous" race, and so on. Fear of outsiders is not uncommon in some older modules (memorably, Ravenloft). But this isn't old school- I am advocating for a 5e Greyhawk. 3. The reason that "Tieflings" would be viewed suspiciously in a place like Keoland ... is because most beings with infernal or demonic heritage were a big problem in areas of Greyhawk- because of Iuz and the Great Kingdom (to use two examples). This would be similar to saying, "I know I'm I chose to play an Orc, and I know that this village is repeatedly ransacked by orcs, but it isn't fair that the villagers are suspicious of me!" Or to use a more modern example, "Sure, I chose to play an evil monk that belongs to the fascist and racist Scarlet Brotherhood, and I realize that the elves I'm hanging out with found out about it, but why don't they like me?" 4. All of that said ... I don't care! Really! I think I have now repeated 5,492 times in these threads (numbers are approximate) that nothing ... nothing is annoying as the Dragonborn canard. I do not care if you play a Dragonborn. I do not care if a new Greyhawk has some allotment for "seafaring" Dragonborn, or their own Kingdom in the land of black ice, or Hemponoland, or whatever. I do not care if they are treated with hostility, or treated as a curiosity, or treated with genuflection as if they sprung fully formed from the brow of Gygax ready to save Oerth. This is literally the least interesting thing about a setting, ever. And I am beside myself that WoTC has managed to publish settings without Dragonborn with nary a squeak (but it's fine because REASONS!).... and yet there is the same bizarre debate that keeps coming up? I honestly do not understand this. I could care less if Dragonborn are an invasive alien species that crash landed in the Barrier Peaks. Good? [/QUOTE]
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