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<blockquote data-quote="daddystabz" data-source="post: 4470264" data-attributes="member: 54231"><p>I keep running into a problem lately in my hometown Dawn of Defiance campaign. I play currently as a 7th lvl jedi and one of my force powers is Force Grip. I use this power sometimes in fights to help take down bad guys that are attacking my allies and myself. My GM lately seems to have been doing some soul searching and feels that he has been too lenient and/or has overlooked giving out dark side points for acts he considers to be a transaction. He is trying to interpret what the book says about transactions that would deserve a dark side point. He has interpreted this part of the book in the extreme though, looking into giving a dark side point each time Force Grip is used, even though it is a neutral power and lacks a dark side descriptor.</p><p>I argued that issuing a dark side point for something like this should be highly situational. If I were to use it to blatantly torture and/or kill another living being for no good reason or to just make a statement then I feel it would deserve a dark side point. But I feel that if my allies and myself are being attacked and our lives or the lives of other innocents are in danger then I feel I am within my duties as a jedi, and indeed within the jedi code, to use this power to defend lives. If I were to use it on a fleeing opponent or on one that is trying to surrender, to blatantly kill him or her then I feel it would deserve a dark side point. I also mentioned that Force Grip can be used without being a choke action. I even read that Jedi Counseling article from the WoTC website that gives a set of guidelines GMs can use to determine transgressions, which seem to advocate my position, but he did not seem too swayed. I also mentioned that these kinds of things were discussed on the Order 66 Podcast and that it seemed that the GM Chris and GM Dave saw things my way, but he still seemed unsure.</p><p>What do you all think about this? Do I seem correct to you in my interpretation or do you think the GM should give a dark side point every time Force Grip is used?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="daddystabz, post: 4470264, member: 54231"] I keep running into a problem lately in my hometown Dawn of Defiance campaign. I play currently as a 7th lvl jedi and one of my force powers is Force Grip. I use this power sometimes in fights to help take down bad guys that are attacking my allies and myself. My GM lately seems to have been doing some soul searching and feels that he has been too lenient and/or has overlooked giving out dark side points for acts he considers to be a transaction. He is trying to interpret what the book says about transactions that would deserve a dark side point. He has interpreted this part of the book in the extreme though, looking into giving a dark side point each time Force Grip is used, even though it is a neutral power and lacks a dark side descriptor. I argued that issuing a dark side point for something like this should be highly situational. If I were to use it to blatantly torture and/or kill another living being for no good reason or to just make a statement then I feel it would deserve a dark side point. But I feel that if my allies and myself are being attacked and our lives or the lives of other innocents are in danger then I feel I am within my duties as a jedi, and indeed within the jedi code, to use this power to defend lives. If I were to use it on a fleeing opponent or on one that is trying to surrender, to blatantly kill him or her then I feel it would deserve a dark side point. I also mentioned that Force Grip can be used without being a choke action. I even read that Jedi Counseling article from the WoTC website that gives a set of guidelines GMs can use to determine transgressions, which seem to advocate my position, but he did not seem too swayed. I also mentioned that these kinds of things were discussed on the Order 66 Podcast and that it seemed that the GM Chris and GM Dave saw things my way, but he still seemed unsure. What do you all think about this? Do I seem correct to you in my interpretation or do you think the GM should give a dark side point every time Force Grip is used? [/QUOTE]
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