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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheGogmagog" data-source="post: 4604200" data-attributes="member: 27702">I thought this has been clarified but don't care enough to look it up as our DM isn't a tool.  That and when you have someone stubborn even that doesn't matter to them (would it?).  I only read this far hoping someone would point out where. Quite antidotal, but I thought the DDI demo used force orb in exactly this matter.There are reasons to attack walls and the ground, are you arguing that they can’t be damaged?  If you want to take down a wall, or damage the ground (most likely to get to the floor below, but for other game reasons like near a ledge.  In my experience, the damage is always broken down into 5x5 sections.  So I have no qualms with treating any 5x5 section of ground as an independent object, not only for the purposes of targeting but for damage with intent to destroy.The DMG suggestion is for when players or monsters want to use a power to remove a terrain obstacle quickly.  The ‘ridiculousness’ you claim that occurs are when you are allowing a power that is intended to target creatures to target objects, not the fact that the ground is an object.  The situation is exactly the same if there were any mundane object sitting there.  Not reading the dragon ability, I find it hard to believe that the location of the first creature extends range.  Come to think of it the only time you need to target the ground is when the terrain is absolutely void of any objects/rubble/refuse which is rare in nature or in inhabited areas.  So rare if that IS the terrain it should probably be pointed out.I suspect DracoSuave and his alt is just being difficult for his own amusement.  Attacking a wall or floor is considered to affect a 5x5 section.  So the arguments of affecting the entire globe are intentionally factitious, the fact that you are using that as an argument says one of two things about you.The questions are mute, I’m just throwing my 2cp in for other readers who get this far and not discussing for the reasons stated above.</blockquote>

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