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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 4604647" data-attributes="member: 743">Unless you miss. Then the crocodile swallows you, the ghoul immobilizes you, the phantom stuns you, etc. Thunderwave is great, but wizards who see it as their primary strategy are often going to find themselves in severe pain.Also, Thunderwave targets everyone. Force Orb won't kill the beleaguered cleric surrounded by goblins but will hurt all of the goblins.If you want to hit the same 3x3 chunk of enemies that a force orb could hit, you have to be adjacent to at least one of the targets. More depending on terrain and target layout.Cute straw man. Try again.I'll take it on a case by case basis. You want to know what size the statue has to be to not be a single object, I ask what is it made of and how, and what will be the effects of saying yes.If you want to have a single general rule for everything, and it's fun for your group, that's great. I'd rather not paint myself into a corner when there's no need, and don't see a need to restrict the players' tactics of desperation because someone who isn't in our group thinks they can destroy the planet if I allow targeting the ground.</blockquote>