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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4407178" data-attributes="member: 1656">These aren't worded all that differently, though.Wall of Fire: &quot;If a creature moves into the wall's space...&quot;Walking Wounded: &quot;if the target moves more than half its speed...&quot;Is the difference between &quot;If the orc moves into square X&quot; and &quot;If the orc moves N squares&quot; such that the phrase &quot;If the orc moves&quot; should be read in two entirely different ways?And Wall of Fire damages a creature &quot;If a creature moves into...&quot;.&nbsp; Since Push/Pull/Slide specifically say &quot;Not a move&quot;, doesn't that mean by the same logic that the creature has not moved into...?If the word &quot;Move&quot; prohibits forced movement from triggering Walking Wounded, the word &quot;Move&quot; should also prohibit forced movement from triggering Wall of Fire's damage.&nbsp; If Wall of Fire's damage can trigger from forced movement despite the word &quot;Move&quot;, then Walking Wounded should trigger from forced movement despite the word &quot;Move&quot;.I don't see how one can reasonably say &quot;Move means 'move' in one case, but not the other&quot;.I agree that you can force them in (unless one subscribes to the 'obstacle' loophole), but the question at hand isn't &quot;Is forced movement into a Wall of Fire possible?&quot;, but rather, &quot;Does forced movement into a Wall of Fire count as 'moving into the wall's space'?&quot;-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4407178, member: 1656"] These aren't worded all that differently, though. Wall of Fire: "If a creature moves into the wall's space..." Walking Wounded: "if the target moves more than half its speed..." Is the difference between "If the orc moves into square X" and "If the orc moves N squares" such that the phrase "If the orc moves" should be read in two entirely different ways? And Wall of Fire damages a creature "If a creature moves into...". Since Push/Pull/Slide specifically say "Not a move", doesn't that mean by the same logic that the creature has not moved into...? If the word "Move" prohibits forced movement from triggering Walking Wounded, the word "Move" should also prohibit forced movement from triggering Wall of Fire's damage. If Wall of Fire's damage can trigger from forced movement despite the word "Move", then Walking Wounded should trigger from forced movement despite the word "Move". I don't see how one can reasonably say "Move means 'move' in one case, but not the other". I agree that you can force them in (unless one subscribes to the 'obstacle' loophole), but the question at hand isn't "Is forced movement into a Wall of Fire possible?", but rather, "Does forced movement into a Wall of Fire count as 'moving into the wall's space'?" -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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