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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5120250" data-attributes="member: 71571">By the same logic, your enemies would automatically want to become your allies so that you could always be pushed/pulled into the center of the 8 monster dogpile flank-fest.This would make the allies/enemies rule regarding forced movement to say one thing on paper, and do exactly the opposite in practice.When a given interpretation of the rules requires one to, in practice, do the exact opposite of the rule each and every time, then one's rules interpretation is obviously bunk.The only question that needs be asked is:&nbsp; 'Is this guy a willing recipient of the pushee's powers?' If the answer is yes, they are an ally.&nbsp; If not, an enemy.&nbsp; That is the rule, as written, as intended, and as it should -always- be applied. Whether or not the pushee is being pushed will not change the answer to that question in any way that actually makes sense when you -BOTHER- to apply it.This isn't even a grey area.&nbsp; The only thing -making- it grey is some rules-twisting player who wants the rule to do the exact opposite of what it's supposed to, just for a bit of momentary convenience, because he doesn't want a push power to work -exactly as it should work-, because it's inconvenient.&nbsp; That's not 'rules interpretation.'&nbsp; That's 'shinanegans' and should not be entertained by a respectable DM, or by a respectable group of players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5120250, member: 71571"] By the same logic, your enemies would automatically want to become your allies so that you could always be pushed/pulled into the center of the 8 monster dogpile flank-fest. This would make the allies/enemies rule regarding forced movement to say one thing on paper, and do exactly the opposite in practice. When a given interpretation of the rules requires one to, in practice, do the exact opposite of the rule each and every time, then one's rules interpretation is obviously bunk. The only question that needs be asked is: '[B]Is this guy a willing recipient of the pushee's powers?' [/B] If the answer is yes, they are an ally. If not, an enemy. That is the rule, as written, as intended, and as it should -always- be applied. Whether or not the pushee is being pushed will not change the answer to that question in any way that actually makes sense when you -BOTHER- to apply it. This isn't even a grey area. The only thing -making- it grey is some rules-twisting player who wants the rule to do the exact opposite of what it's supposed to, just for a bit of momentary convenience, because he doesn't want a push power to work -exactly as it should work-, because it's inconvenient. That's not 'rules interpretation.' That's '[I]shinanegans[/I]' and should not be entertained by a respectable DM, or by a respectable group of players. [/QUOTE]

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