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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 612277" data-attributes="member: 1134">And I understand the conept of them saying str is better.  But any of the stats that in 2e we'd consider a prime stat are meaningless if not considered in conjunction with classes.  What does a -2 str mean to a rogue, wiz or sor, absolutely nothing.  What does a +2 con mean to every class, a heck of a lot, and even more to the rogue, wiz, and sor with their crap HP. Now people can choose to play a class/race combo that isn't optimized, but that doens't weaken the class or the race individually.  A chr penalty isn't a huge penalty because dwarfs would make poorer bards and sorcerers than other races. Str is only a big penalty to fighters/rangers/paladins. and maybe monks.  It is a small penalty to clerics and druids, and it isnt'a hit to rogues/wiz/sor types.And when it comes down to it a hit in str is the best hit ebcause you are picking your classes they aren't randomly assigned.  And if you pick a semi apprpriate class it isn't a hit, because while str is powerful it is fairly focussed.  Heck I think every stat excpet perhaps CHR is worse to take a hit in. and even Chr is probably worse depending on the camapign.At the same time I think str is one of the best stats to get a benefit in, because agian you pick your class and if you pick a class focussed on str it really is a big benefit.They may be unatractive to play but I don't believe that is stat based.  I think they need to work on the flavor text if they want more people to play them.</blockquote>

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