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<blockquote data-quote="Ken Laird" data-source="post: 7354476" data-attributes="member: 6883055"><p>Yeah, and they want everyone to pay out the nose for every piece of content. Want to use the 'Heavy Armor Master' feat? "That'll be $1.99." For one, I repeat, <em>one</em> feat! Or you can pay only $4 to get <em>every</em> feat! Or if you're feeling really spendy, you can pay $30 to be able to use everything from the PHB, even though the <em>actual, physical, hardbound Player's Handbook is only $35! </em>Oh, you'd like to be able to use all the books? $360. And keep in mind, this is just to be able to look it up on the site and put it in a character. No PDF, no way to download, except for your character sheet, you have to be online to use it. So if you want to be able to reference the material offline, or, god forbid, read the book, you have to buy <em>everything twice.</em></p><p></p><p>BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Or rather, there's less until you fork over some more of your hard earned cash. You see, even after you've been gouged just to access the material, you still have to deal with ads. That's right, you're paying to be able to access the content digitally, but you still get to deal with advertisements. And you get a limited number of character slots. But, of course, for a low, low, monthly fee of $3, you <em>don't </em>have to jump through those hoops to access the content you already paid for, <em>twice!</em> </p><p></p><p>Quite frankly, this is a toxic product, and WotC should be ashamed of themselves for even putting it to market. What makes them think anybody's going to want to use this hot mess when it's more restrictive and cumbersome than doing the calculations and referencing by hand? And for god's sake, I think I'd feel less used playing BFII or subscribing to Comcast, with all the nickel and diming they're doing here. Worst of all, it spits in the face of everybody who ever put a pencil to a character sheet or clattered dice on the table. All these great tools that players use, that the creators charge nothing for and that get people pulled into the game that would have otherwise been intimidated by the minutae and mechanics, have been stomped out and left for dead in the name of the almighty dollar, and it doesn't do them a bit of good, because nobody who was on the fence about playing is going to shell out $80 plus a monthly subscription fee when they're probably still borrowing their GM's books because they don't know if they want their own yet. As for the players that were bought in, and were using things like ForgedAnvil's fantastic sheet because it made setting up clean character sheets a breeze? Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm angry. Angry that WotC thought they could pull the rug out from under us and sell us a $360 hand back up. Angry that, like so many other industries, the big players are looking for ways to squeeze every last penny out of a fanbase that's been nothing but good to them. Angry that their response to their best customers, who loved and enjoyed their products so much that they'd spend their free time making it more accessible to others, was to crush them under the heel of their big corporate lawyer boots in the name of the almighty dollar.</p><p></p><p>And I think that's what makes me angriest about all this: It'd have been better for overall sales if they had just left it alone, let people like ForgedAnvil continue to create great tools to play their games. I hear people say "Well ForgedAnvil's sheet just gave you all the information that WotC worked hard and spent money to develop! They need to be able to sell the product!" I already own the books. Everyone I know who uses the sheet also owns the books. You know why? It's hard to pick your character out from a drop down list if you don't already know what they are. You don't know classes, races, backgrounds, feats, spells, items, and archetypes right out the gate, and looking through them using just the character sheet is <em>cumbersome</em>. It's not designed to replace the books, it's designed to make your sheet look professional and clean <em>after</em> you've made all those decisions, usually after picking them out using the books. Make no mistake, <em>The very existence of this sheet has helped promote and sell 5e.</em> And they just went and killed not only this valuable tool, but every bit of goodwill surrounding it.</p><p></p><p>You know who makes all their content available online for free? Paizo, the guys who used to be WotC before they split and made 3.5 ten times better. No, seriously, check this out.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.d20pfsrd.com/</a></p><p></p><p>Every sourcebook. PHB, APG, UCa, UCo, UM, UR, MA, PU, <em>EVERY. SINGLE. SOURCEBOOK.</em> And yet they continue to sell books. You know why? <em>The SRD is cumbersome.</em> The only way to reliably find something further than the most basic information is to already know what you're looking for. You know when that happens? <em>When you buy the books.</em> And I have. I've bought every sourcebook they have and read them front to back, because I knew that was the only way to be able to know what I was looking for in the first place. You know what else Paizo does well? Subscriptions. You subscribe to them, not only do you get the full access package and a discount on their books, <em>you get the PDFs for free.</em></p><p></p><p>Paizo knows what WotC seems to have forgotten: Tabletop RPGs are like a disease; the more people you expose it to, the more people pick it up, the faster it spreads, ad infinitum. Paizo fosters that goodwill and sharing mindset because they know it sells books and gets people hooked. Ultimately, D&D beyond will flop, and in addition to flushing money, it will have flushed a great deal of social capital with the clear statement this overly monetized launch makes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ken Laird, post: 7354476, member: 6883055"] Yeah, and they want everyone to pay out the nose for every piece of content. Want to use the 'Heavy Armor Master' feat? "That'll be $1.99." For one, I repeat, [I]one[/I] feat! Or you can pay only $4 to get [I]every[/I] feat! Or if you're feeling really spendy, you can pay $30 to be able to use everything from the PHB, even though the [I]actual, physical, hardbound Player's Handbook is only $35! [/I]Oh, you'd like to be able to use all the books? $360. And keep in mind, this is just to be able to look it up on the site and put it in a character. No PDF, no way to download, except for your character sheet, you have to be online to use it. So if you want to be able to reference the material offline, or, god forbid, read the book, you have to buy [I]everything twice.[/I] BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Or rather, there's less until you fork over some more of your hard earned cash. You see, even after you've been gouged just to access the material, you still have to deal with ads. That's right, you're paying to be able to access the content digitally, but you still get to deal with advertisements. And you get a limited number of character slots. But, of course, for a low, low, monthly fee of $3, you [I]don't [/I]have to jump through those hoops to access the content you already paid for, [I]twice![/I] Quite frankly, this is a toxic product, and WotC should be ashamed of themselves for even putting it to market. What makes them think anybody's going to want to use this hot mess when it's more restrictive and cumbersome than doing the calculations and referencing by hand? And for god's sake, I think I'd feel less used playing BFII or subscribing to Comcast, with all the nickel and diming they're doing here. Worst of all, it spits in the face of everybody who ever put a pencil to a character sheet or clattered dice on the table. All these great tools that players use, that the creators charge nothing for and that get people pulled into the game that would have otherwise been intimidated by the minutae and mechanics, have been stomped out and left for dead in the name of the almighty dollar, and it doesn't do them a bit of good, because nobody who was on the fence about playing is going to shell out $80 plus a monthly subscription fee when they're probably still borrowing their GM's books because they don't know if they want their own yet. As for the players that were bought in, and were using things like ForgedAnvil's fantastic sheet because it made setting up clean character sheets a breeze? Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm angry. Angry that WotC thought they could pull the rug out from under us and sell us a $360 hand back up. Angry that, like so many other industries, the big players are looking for ways to squeeze every last penny out of a fanbase that's been nothing but good to them. Angry that their response to their best customers, who loved and enjoyed their products so much that they'd spend their free time making it more accessible to others, was to crush them under the heel of their big corporate lawyer boots in the name of the almighty dollar. And I think that's what makes me angriest about all this: It'd have been better for overall sales if they had just left it alone, let people like ForgedAnvil continue to create great tools to play their games. I hear people say "Well ForgedAnvil's sheet just gave you all the information that WotC worked hard and spent money to develop! They need to be able to sell the product!" I already own the books. Everyone I know who uses the sheet also owns the books. You know why? It's hard to pick your character out from a drop down list if you don't already know what they are. You don't know classes, races, backgrounds, feats, spells, items, and archetypes right out the gate, and looking through them using just the character sheet is [I]cumbersome[/I]. It's not designed to replace the books, it's designed to make your sheet look professional and clean [I]after[/I] you've made all those decisions, usually after picking them out using the books. Make no mistake, [I]The very existence of this sheet has helped promote and sell 5e.[/I] And they just went and killed not only this valuable tool, but every bit of goodwill surrounding it. You know who makes all their content available online for free? Paizo, the guys who used to be WotC before they split and made 3.5 ten times better. No, seriously, check this out. [URL]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/[/URL] Every sourcebook. PHB, APG, UCa, UCo, UM, UR, MA, PU, [I]EVERY. SINGLE. SOURCEBOOK.[/I] And yet they continue to sell books. You know why? [I]The SRD is cumbersome.[/I] The only way to reliably find something further than the most basic information is to already know what you're looking for. You know when that happens? [I]When you buy the books.[/I] And I have. I've bought every sourcebook they have and read them front to back, because I knew that was the only way to be able to know what I was looking for in the first place. You know what else Paizo does well? Subscriptions. You subscribe to them, not only do you get the full access package and a discount on their books, [I]you get the PDFs for free.[/I] Paizo knows what WotC seems to have forgotten: Tabletop RPGs are like a disease; the more people you expose it to, the more people pick it up, the faster it spreads, ad infinitum. Paizo fosters that goodwill and sharing mindset because they know it sells books and gets people hooked. Ultimately, D&D beyond will flop, and in addition to flushing money, it will have flushed a great deal of social capital with the clear statement this overly monetized launch makes. [/QUOTE]
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