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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4849323" data-attributes="member: 463">On the one hand I agree that the reality-warping field is an important characteristic for the Mary Sue.  However I am not sure that disqualifies cases where the author creates a reality, puts a protagonist in it, and from the readers'-eye-view the reality seems warped to accommodate the protagonist.For instance, if the protagonist is a homely-looking Gandalf clone wizard and without the use of magic, large numbers of powerful beautiful female wizards spontaneously fall in love with him and want to have sex with him. Or the hero has a thing about bondage-domination and every spirited, beautiful female he meets he sexually enslaves - only for them *all* to 'realise' that that's what they always wanted all along.  Cases of warping human nature in the cause of wish fulfilment, in a way that can make the reader's suspension  of disbelief impossible.So my opinion is that an author-created reality does not exclude the possibility of a Mary Sue, if (a) that reality becomes bent and twisted to service the Mary Sueness of the protagonist, and (b) those changes violate all known norms of human conduct and probability to such an extent as to prevent S.O.D.</blockquote>