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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4855226" data-attributes="member: 67338">see here is the problem with the 'human nature argument"...If the canon lawayers in my group where a problem all the time I would agree, but lets take them 1 at a time1) My roommate: He has ever novel TSR or Wotc put out (or so he says). A quick look at his book shelf shows mee spelljammer, Ravenloft, Greyhawk, Realms, and Ebberon. I belive he has birth right ones but don't quote me ont hat... and even though I didn't see them I know he has every DL novel...   He also was a marvel comic geek up through college (90's for him), and still has xmen and spidermen comics from teh 80's...   He is a passing star wars fan (He stoped reading right after vector prime saying something about a moon that made him mad)   Now, he has played in Marvel and DC games, spelljamer, Raven loft, Eberon, and genric games with no problem...but FR always gets him to react...always.     To his credit it normaly is shock and confused, but he was one of the two players that wanted to call in the big boys in my they invasion game...2) Another good friend. He has read alot of FR novels (mostly borrowed from the huge liabrary that is my roommates room) He also owns almost every Ravenloft novel, and ever adventure, suplement, you name it for RL.     He is the biggest comic nerd I know (and for the record we game in a comic/game store).   He has never once uttered a complaint about ravenloft, or  a comic game (inless you count his hatred for sheild director hill that we herd every time sheild came in...)    He ran a realms game that got run over by canon...and he was the bigest voice for the whole "Of cource symbol will help us" thing...3) This guy isn't with us any more...he was every problem player roled into 1 Power gamer,  rules lawyer, cheater, canon lawyer.     he shut down many a games, so I will skip him mostly. How ever he was also the one that shot down #2's game by arguening some obscure thing about one group or another...He never shut down agame with canon lawyering befroe (although he did also do that in star trek and WW owod, just not as bad)Well i was typeing this I thought of a 4th example...although I should have brought this up earlier...This guy who has a very strange photographic memorie for games and stuff ran a plane/dimension hopping story. It started at level 7 (2e) and ran through 23rd. We had gone and messed up just about every setting. We had even killed gods. I mean to say he had no problem with anything we had killed takisis in DL. Do you know ended the game? Our CN archmage (Mayfir games rules) got upstaged by elminster...so he was pissed. He used wish, and a bunch of divination and found el's real name, then carved it in a huge gem, and gifted it to him...It of cource was a trap (man I wish I rmember what spelll that was) the spell said no save if the except it and traped his soul. Then the PC's contingecy went off plane shifting him to sigle (where he was 'hoooked up' with the lady of pain so he new he was safe)Now in this setting that we destroyed every cannon moment of every setting we touched...this set the DM off he ended the game, and said 3 of us PCs who worked with him were never allowed in his games again...the reason no one can beat elminster...Now that was maybe 15 years ago, I still see him around, I am still baned from his games...forever...now I know I am not alone in saying when a common thread is the setting, human nature has got a bit of an albi</blockquote>

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