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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4855324" data-attributes="member: 67338">yes, but when patterns are seen by people who have had no other communcation before...well then there might be something there...I agree I know people who fall into each of those catagories...my fav is my mom who spet 7 or 8 years watching charmed, but thought buffy, angle, lost, heros, you name it were to dumb becuse they were soo unrealistic <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> what??? I have no idea what you just said..not really, mostly becue any MMO hummor is lost on me and my hatred of the subject...how ever we are compairing like things here...Person A likes canon...Person A knows more then the avrager person on X things...where X is atleast 3. His problems with canon only accure in games with B (witch is one of X).Now if this was just my group, fine, but again I spent years thinking it was just us and human nature...then I herd others had the same problem. I thought we were the minority so I said little. I just moved on. I ran more homebrew, and bought next to no realms stuff... More years went on and I heard more and more of the same problem. Finaly WotC fixed the world in such away that over night our complaints went almost away...I have since seen and herd more people happy with the realms.Then people started to compair eberon and Realms...guess what? the setting with less canon, and NO CANON NOVELS had less of the issue. (i will not say none of the issue becuse again your human nature theory does hold some water...Now I can looking back see where it all went wrong. The Novels. I c an read all the RPG books I want and still not 'get' why some people think the new mystra (called midnight when this argument accures nomraly) should be thinking like an adventurer not a god...Or why the "Sage" should ever be a combatant...Or why the chosen are so powerful....or why any of a thousand things.You say eberon might get so bad, and it might, but not as it is now. Right now we have a snapshot of the world up to 997...998...999...um what ever year it is. We have some non canon (and labled as such) novels, and some adventures.now I will ask my roommate in the morning, but some one here probly knows. Starting from grey box #1 and running up to the day mystra died how many years have canonical events?  ((((My guess is 10 or so)))If they follow the trend and leave eberon at day 1, now it is yours to play with, I doubt it will ever be a problem.Imagin a FR where no novels are cannon by defualt, where the time line has jumped less then 2 years in the last 20. It would be a major start.I would also tone down the deus ex macnia NPCs. Since most games never reatch level 20, and few go above (although it is always the best that do <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )imagin elminster, the 7 sisters, and black staff all in the 13-18 range for levels...and not optimized at that. SO a PC at level 12 or 13 could be there equals, great heros saving the realm...[sblock=new 3e chosen]Elminster Wizard 3/ Cleric 3/ Fighter 2/ Rogue 3/ Mystic theurge 6/ Lore master 2   wiz caster level 11, cleric cast level 9Black staff  Wizard 8/ Lore master 6/ Archmage 2...16th level casterSymbol Wiz 3/ Sorcer 5/ Ult magus 7  10th level caster sorcer 10th wizardnow give each of them the spell fire feat, and god blessed/chosen powers more in line with what a PC can match...I think the spell imunity was a good idea, but not the COn boost or spell lie abilites... [/sblock]now you might ask what about the bad guys... well bring them down a little, but not as much...then expalin in the setting that evil doesn't work togatehr well (Cult of the dragon, they, beholders, zents) all have big bad guys that could level any one of these guys, but not all of them. Good works togather so evil is held in check...now when the rare PC gets to  Wiz 3 /Master spec 8/ Lore master 4/ Archmage 5  (20th level) they CAN do what the NPCs can not, take the fight to the bad guys...one on one...well more like 5 on 1+minons</blockquote>

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