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<blockquote data-quote="Bumbles" data-source="post: 4855421" data-attributes="member: 83457"><p>I meant the inclusion of canon characters such as Drizzt, Elminster and Cadderly. Do you think they were faithful representations that added to the game?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The limitations of a computer game, and the problems of creating sequels when you've got multiple possible endings are something I've noticed before, but let's not digress into that. They're different from Tabletop versions.</p><p></p><p>But that's why I suggested the older Gold Box games, which unlike Baldur's Gate, exist in all three forms, not just two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed, that is the crux of the issue. The disagreement, not the scope. People disagree. I expect that. Sometimes you can work it out, sometimes you can't. It's rarely the thing itself that's causing the conflict though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what posts of mine, you're talking about in particular, and I don't feel like digging through them again, so if you don't mind, I'll state my position anew. If this conflicts with what you think I've said, please reply to those things so that I can address any conflict you may perceive, or otherwise, take my words as they are:</p><p></p><p>I reserve the right to enjoy whatever game I'm playing. I can appreciate a good alternate history, I can appreciate a faithful attempt at canon. Do it badly, ignore it completely? I will probably go. What's badly? I'm not prepared to say in meaningful terms, as I don't believe I can articulate it even as well as Goldilocks did with the porridge of the bears. Best I can say is like this:</p><p></p><p>Radical, wholesale changes that make no sense to me? I'd probably go.</p><p></p><p>Don't like Elminster so you never use him?? Fine. Have him dead in a beard shaving accident? Whatever, he's not one of my sacred cows to have in a game. Have him evil? I may think your game is trite, but I might give it a try. I may walk out though, since I might not find it interesting.</p><p></p><p>Give me a long tirade on how you detest Elmonster and the other NPCs of the setting? Well, then that's you who has convinced me not to play with you because I just don't find that sort of thing conducive to a good game. Get a correction as to something not being how it was in the game, and get upset, using the spontaneous combustion tables? Bye!</p><p></p><p>Mostly it will be more about how you handle things than any idea I have for how things are supposed to be. </p><p></p><p>Which may not be the answer you're looking for, but it's how I roll. I also won't play with you if you smoke or drink alcoholic beverages at games, stay longer than I plan for, or have a romantic relationship between one or more players. But that's a subject for another thread, which I should start...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe you can, maybe you can't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not by me. I could care less. If anything I've said has given you some other impression, then I'm sorry if I was unclear, but while I would have some concerns, I'd at least let you try it. It may develop that you don't do it in a way that I find acceptable, and I'll tell you. You may be willing to make changes. You may not. That may or may not be acceptable to me. I may walk. I may not. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't trying. Not my goal. I don't get paid for copies sold of any of it. I don't even see it likely we'll ever game together anyway. </p><p></p><p>Hell, I don't even enjoy selling people on my games. Or people trying to sell me on theirs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bumbles, post: 4855421, member: 83457"] I meant the inclusion of canon characters such as Drizzt, Elminster and Cadderly. Do you think they were faithful representations that added to the game? The limitations of a computer game, and the problems of creating sequels when you've got multiple possible endings are something I've noticed before, but let's not digress into that. They're different from Tabletop versions. But that's why I suggested the older Gold Box games, which unlike Baldur's Gate, exist in all three forms, not just two. Indeed, that is the crux of the issue. The disagreement, not the scope. People disagree. I expect that. Sometimes you can work it out, sometimes you can't. It's rarely the thing itself that's causing the conflict though. I'm not sure what posts of mine, you're talking about in particular, and I don't feel like digging through them again, so if you don't mind, I'll state my position anew. If this conflicts with what you think I've said, please reply to those things so that I can address any conflict you may perceive, or otherwise, take my words as they are: I reserve the right to enjoy whatever game I'm playing. I can appreciate a good alternate history, I can appreciate a faithful attempt at canon. Do it badly, ignore it completely? I will probably go. What's badly? I'm not prepared to say in meaningful terms, as I don't believe I can articulate it even as well as Goldilocks did with the porridge of the bears. Best I can say is like this: Radical, wholesale changes that make no sense to me? I'd probably go. Don't like Elminster so you never use him?? Fine. Have him dead in a beard shaving accident? Whatever, he's not one of my sacred cows to have in a game. Have him evil? I may think your game is trite, but I might give it a try. I may walk out though, since I might not find it interesting. Give me a long tirade on how you detest Elmonster and the other NPCs of the setting? Well, then that's you who has convinced me not to play with you because I just don't find that sort of thing conducive to a good game. Get a correction as to something not being how it was in the game, and get upset, using the spontaneous combustion tables? Bye! Mostly it will be more about how you handle things than any idea I have for how things are supposed to be. Which may not be the answer you're looking for, but it's how I roll. I also won't play with you if you smoke or drink alcoholic beverages at games, stay longer than I plan for, or have a romantic relationship between one or more players. But that's a subject for another thread, which I should start... Maybe you can, maybe you can't. Not by me. I could care less. If anything I've said has given you some other impression, then I'm sorry if I was unclear, but while I would have some concerns, I'd at least let you try it. It may develop that you don't do it in a way that I find acceptable, and I'll tell you. You may be willing to make changes. You may not. That may or may not be acceptable to me. I may walk. I may not. I wasn't trying. Not my goal. I don't get paid for copies sold of any of it. I don't even see it likely we'll ever game together anyway. Hell, I don't even enjoy selling people on my games. Or people trying to sell me on theirs. [/QUOTE]
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