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<blockquote data-quote="Horwath" data-source="post: 9789448" data-attributes="member: 6801299"><p>pilling on a bad design decision does not make original decision any better.</p><p></p><p>only thing that can make any ranger subclass good is ability:</p><p>at 5th level, Hunter's mark does not require concentration.</p><p></p><p>Or just replace hunters mark with Divine favor.</p><p></p><p>Dont see why...</p><p></p><p>Cold resistance?</p><p>wont matter in 95% of combats, unless playing Rime of the frost maiden.</p><p></p><p>extra damage? 1d4 once per turn?</p><p>somebody call the rogue, sneak attack is useless now.</p><p></p><p>Ability to not use Disengage?</p><p>again wont matter in most combats as it is mostly used to get away from cambat.</p><p>Now if this prohibited Dash and Hide, it would be worth something.</p><p></p><p>Level 7:</p><p>again over reliance on a secondary stat.</p><p>Or all rangers now are required to be stick&board build.</p><p>1st level Magic initiate druid</p><p>4th level War caster, you need it to keep that "aweome" HM working.</p><p>8th level +2 wisdom</p><p></p><p>just simply make:</p><p>3 targets at 7th level, 4 targets at 11th, 5 targets at 15th level</p><p></p><p>11th level:</p><p>see 7th level, again with the wisdom, DC is fine it follows spells, number of usages is not.</p><p></p><p>oh, and we get epic +1 damage per turn buff to already miserable 3rd level feature. 8th levels for scaling of 1 damage. what a joke.</p><p>what do paladins get at 11th level? +4,5 damage on every attack on a single target?</p><p></p><p>15th level:</p><p>this is a 3rd level feature, at most 7th level feature.</p><p>for 3rd level just remove the bonus +1d4 attack damage and give 2d4 to everyone, make AoE 5ft at 3rd level, 10ft at 7th level, 15ft at 11th level and 20ft at 15th level. upgrade damage to 2d6 at 7th level, 2d8 at 11th level and 3d6 at 15th level</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horwath, post: 9789448, member: 6801299"] pilling on a bad design decision does not make original decision any better. only thing that can make any ranger subclass good is ability: at 5th level, Hunter's mark does not require concentration. Or just replace hunters mark with Divine favor. Dont see why... Cold resistance? wont matter in 95% of combats, unless playing Rime of the frost maiden. extra damage? 1d4 once per turn? somebody call the rogue, sneak attack is useless now. Ability to not use Disengage? again wont matter in most combats as it is mostly used to get away from cambat. Now if this prohibited Dash and Hide, it would be worth something. Level 7: again over reliance on a secondary stat. Or all rangers now are required to be stick&board build. 1st level Magic initiate druid 4th level War caster, you need it to keep that "aweome" HM working. 8th level +2 wisdom just simply make: 3 targets at 7th level, 4 targets at 11th, 5 targets at 15th level 11th level: see 7th level, again with the wisdom, DC is fine it follows spells, number of usages is not. oh, and we get epic +1 damage per turn buff to already miserable 3rd level feature. 8th levels for scaling of 1 damage. what a joke. what do paladins get at 11th level? +4,5 damage on every attack on a single target? 15th level: this is a 3rd level feature, at most 7th level feature. for 3rd level just remove the bonus +1d4 attack damage and give 2d4 to everyone, make AoE 5ft at 3rd level, 10ft at 7th level, 15ft at 11th level and 20ft at 15th level. upgrade damage to 2d6 at 7th level, 2d8 at 11th level and 3d6 at 15th level [/QUOTE]
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