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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 6758631" data-attributes="member: 5890">This makes no sense. There was no denial of reality here: I believe the wizard exists. I believe he can cast fireball. I believe he is a jerk. Believing he is a jerk is not disbelieving in what he can do: it's believing that what he chooses to do is wrong.First up: wouldn't "Worshiping a god purely because otherwise you will go to the wall" count as false worship?Secondly: If the existence of the wall is common knowledge, how can anyone justify the good gods letting it continue to exist/allowing people to go to the wall? The "Good" alignment doesn't include "Do what I say or I will hand you off to someone who will torture you and then obliterate you".Thirdly: It's only conceit if your sense of self worth is inflated. Since many of the gods ARE just mortals given power by an overgod, and many of the gods DO neglect their worshipers, and half the realms lore is about how they squabble with each other like unruly children, I think it's debatable whether it's actually conceited to decide that they don't deserve your worship or that they don't need your worship. Especially when it seems like your worship or lack of it seems only to serve for them to measure against one another.Well, in the realms, this is likely true, and for people who are of good alignment, not just evil. Better to make a concrete deal with a devil than risk your mandatory patron deciding that you weren't devout 'enough'. Especially if you know about the wall (ie - everyone in the realms apparently) and have any capability of independent thought.In fact the concept of some good-aligned group that does the same thing as the demons and devils (ie - liberates souls from the tyranny of the gods) would seem almost inevitable.</blockquote>

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