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Message: <blockquote data-quote="garnuk" data-source="post: 6758776" data-attributes="member: 6680011">There have been a few running assumptions that I feel need to be addressed.First, is the concept of "Lip Service".  As I see it, there is only one way for a PC to be engaged in lip service, and it doesn't require any special judgement or discernment from the DM.  That is, the player says,  "I'm going to do X, but its really just a bluff, my character doesn't believe what they are doing, but is trying to act the part."   Lip Service means that you do the deed, but have no meaning behind your actions.  Its a simple concept.    In some cases, the character might be acting within the realms of one of the gods of deception, and in that case, they would no longer be doing lip service.  However, if the character has fooled themselves into thinking they are not following the ways of deception, but rather just lacks faith in the rites that they wish to mimic, then they are given no afterlife.  They get what they believe, that nothing in the realm of the deities matters.Then, there is the question of Good aligned groups which try to make bargains with souls to rescue them.  To me, this is a non-starter.  If a soul is good, then they will be rewarded with their appropriate afterlife.  If the soul is not good, then what is there to redeem or rescue? Why would you want to fill good afterlifes with souls that aren't themselves good? They would cause chaos and strife in the afterlifes that they join.  Only the Evil aligned groups would have use for such people.Why do the Good deities allow for the wall to exist?  Because the wall is a good thing.  Its better that a faithless soul cease to exist, and be made useful and have a purpose in their loss of identity, rather than having all these lost souls wander aimlessly as homeless souls.  Those who are faithless and false, have no conviction, they have no desire to subdue some part of themselves for the greater good.  To them, it is just about themselves and what they get out of it.  These are not personalities that the Good aligned deities want to encourage.  And so they make something of them, and give them purpose, and force them to subdue themselves for the greater good, as part of the wall.  A reminder to other who might decide that being self serving and faithless is a path worth following.For those who are arguing that somebody doesn't worship the gods because the gods are unworthy.. Such people are not faithless or false. They are being true to themselves. They presumably are not even giving lip service as they hold such worship to be beneath them and others.  Such people, I would guess would be rewarded by the lawful Good or lawful Evil deities for being true to their convictions, and placed in the appropriate afterlife.  Perahaps even given a special place and mission to help correct whatever causes the deities to be unworthy in their view.</blockquote>

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