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<blockquote data-quote="Irennan" data-source="post: 6761887" data-attributes="member: 6778119"><p>Personally, I'm not into that kind of games (mass invasions, world-ending threat, kill the uber unspeakable evil). I was just pointing that, taking the idea that sparked this discussion (Far Realm aberrations invading Toril through holes in the Wall of the Faithless), if you use the far realm in a game, and have aberrations wreak havoc in a full fledged, Hollywood-style invasion, then going for ''mystery'' and making the players feel powerless (or really limited), kinda makes the premise not really suitable for the atmosphere that game aims to create. As the video that you linked says, evoking such a feel requires to use the Far Realm creatures as obscure, ever creeping presences, not as ''in your face'' invading monsters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Our Universe doesn't give a crap that we exist, that's true. As you put it, life is yet another natural process, more complex but not really different from a rock falling. However, we definitely do have a place in this Universe, otherwise we wouldn't exist. The fact that we are a ''smear of chemicals'' doesn't mean that we are meaningless: we function according the laws of the Universe, just like everything else, but --differently from the other ''specks''-- we have managed to understand much, and even use it to our advantage.</p><p></p><p>I don't agree that humanity has gone beyoned what ''was meant for them''. There isn't anything specific that is meant for us, except existing within the context of the Universe (and we don't even know if that was actually ''meant'', we just know that it happened). That isn't to say that humanity is limitless, but implying that learning how the Universe works is ''not meant'' for us is a baseless claim.</p><p></p><p>Returning to the Far Realms, we do have the possibility of understanding this Universe, and what exists within it. This is why I pointed out that, the moment the monsters from the Far Realm manage to exist within the Universe, they are subject to its rules, and the people of said Universe could understand how ''they work'', because even chaos or madness are just results of the laws of nature, and follow patterns.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't agree with this. We have mutiple concrete examples of ''overcoming the unknowable'' in our history. ''Unknowable'' is a matter of perspective, and a lot of what was considered such in the past, can be now understood, and even simulated or predicted, through math. As I've already said, if something exists in this world, and can interact with us, then it works according to the laws of nature</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Irennan, post: 6761887, member: 6778119"] Personally, I'm not into that kind of games (mass invasions, world-ending threat, kill the uber unspeakable evil). I was just pointing that, taking the idea that sparked this discussion (Far Realm aberrations invading Toril through holes in the Wall of the Faithless), if you use the far realm in a game, and have aberrations wreak havoc in a full fledged, Hollywood-style invasion, then going for ''mystery'' and making the players feel powerless (or really limited), kinda makes the premise not really suitable for the atmosphere that game aims to create. As the video that you linked says, evoking such a feel requires to use the Far Realm creatures as obscure, ever creeping presences, not as ''in your face'' invading monsters. Our Universe doesn't give a crap that we exist, that's true. As you put it, life is yet another natural process, more complex but not really different from a rock falling. However, we definitely do have a place in this Universe, otherwise we wouldn't exist. The fact that we are a ''smear of chemicals'' doesn't mean that we are meaningless: we function according the laws of the Universe, just like everything else, but --differently from the other ''specks''-- we have managed to understand much, and even use it to our advantage. I don't agree that humanity has gone beyoned what ''was meant for them''. There isn't anything specific that is meant for us, except existing within the context of the Universe (and we don't even know if that was actually ''meant'', we just know that it happened). That isn't to say that humanity is limitless, but implying that learning how the Universe works is ''not meant'' for us is a baseless claim. Returning to the Far Realms, we do have the possibility of understanding this Universe, and what exists within it. This is why I pointed out that, the moment the monsters from the Far Realm manage to exist within the Universe, they are subject to its rules, and the people of said Universe could understand how ''they work'', because even chaos or madness are just results of the laws of nature, and follow patterns. I don't agree with this. We have mutiple concrete examples of ''overcoming the unknowable'' in our history. ''Unknowable'' is a matter of perspective, and a lot of what was considered such in the past, can be now understood, and even simulated or predicted, through math. As I've already said, if something exists in this world, and can interact with us, then it works according to the laws of nature [/QUOTE]
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