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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6762793" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>The fundamental thing of people suffering for eternity would seem to be something that the good gods MUST try and do something about, or they cannot be considered Good. If FR had a narrative thread about a small group of Good deities trying to make the afterlife a just place in the face of this horror and overwhelming opposition, I might not have much of an issue with it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> There's nothing to indicate that they are really all that worried about it, though. </p><p></p><p></p><p>This imagines that the only reason a resident of FR would ever worship a god is because otherwise they would be suffering.</p><p></p><p>That doesn't really gel with how people act. The gods of Greyhawk get along swimmingly, after all. Historically, people don't worship gods because they're FORCED to, they worship gods because that god OFFERS SOMETHING. Heck, even the Judeo-Christian god started off like that (Karen Armstrong's <em>History of God</em> has a brilliant section on how the worship of one god came out of a polytheistic society, linking it to the things that this particular god does for his worshipers). If Chauntea makes your fields more productive, you honor her to help be more productive. If Umberlee takes out ships she's angry at with hurricanes, you pray to her to avoid hurricanes. </p><p></p><p>Or you don't and you take your chances.</p><p></p><p>Or you're a D&D character and you don't and you cast <em>control weather</em> if Umberlee gets tetchy. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah - where that happens in the real world, it is a subject of much theological and philosophical hand-wringing. That's the exposure that I've seen - who gets a good afterlife and why and how that relates to how you should treat each other and act in life is a pretty central concern of many religious systems. </p><p></p><p>That's part of why it's so galling that FR doesn't have any real debate over the Wall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6762793, member: 2067"] The fundamental thing of people suffering for eternity would seem to be something that the good gods MUST try and do something about, or they cannot be considered Good. If FR had a narrative thread about a small group of Good deities trying to make the afterlife a just place in the face of this horror and overwhelming opposition, I might not have much of an issue with it. ;) There's nothing to indicate that they are really all that worried about it, though. This imagines that the only reason a resident of FR would ever worship a god is because otherwise they would be suffering. That doesn't really gel with how people act. The gods of Greyhawk get along swimmingly, after all. Historically, people don't worship gods because they're FORCED to, they worship gods because that god OFFERS SOMETHING. Heck, even the Judeo-Christian god started off like that (Karen Armstrong's [I]History of God[/I] has a brilliant section on how the worship of one god came out of a polytheistic society, linking it to the things that this particular god does for his worshipers). If Chauntea makes your fields more productive, you honor her to help be more productive. If Umberlee takes out ships she's angry at with hurricanes, you pray to her to avoid hurricanes. Or you don't and you take your chances. Or you're a D&D character and you don't and you cast [I]control weather[/I] if Umberlee gets tetchy. Yeah - where that happens in the real world, it is a subject of much theological and philosophical hand-wringing. That's the exposure that I've seen - who gets a good afterlife and why and how that relates to how you should treat each other and act in life is a pretty central concern of many religious systems. That's part of why it's so galling that FR doesn't have any real debate over the Wall. [/QUOTE]
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